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Cite references have been referred to regarding MC Opi's career and have been added by editors MC Opi is not close to. Personal life issues content has been discussed and edited by editors MC Opi knows, and she does not give permission for anyone to write about personal issues, she has not had contact with because of her concern of defamation of character. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.94.51 (talk) 17:21, 6 September 2014 (UTC) I have added the information regarding Nelson's live performances that facilitated her work with Christine Anu and others. Her live performances was how she gained recognition and acknowledgement from industry peers. She also worked at the age 16 years old in radio and television for community stations, this was also what facilitated her work in production. These crucial parts of her biography and explain why she had crossed over to a few different areas in the early to mid 90s. I have noticed on a number of wiki pages for major music acts she has collaborated with, there are no citations verifying some of their work and no notices at the top of the pages indicating this, even though they are popular international acts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.95.42 (talk) 13:03, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@83.216.95.42:If you find pages that aren't adequately sourced, you can either fix them, or tag them the same way that this article was tagged before mass amounts of work was done. There are millions of pages, but only thousands of active editors. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 13:26, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have communicated on twitter by dm with subject, they have advised all tags had been removed at top of biography, subject said this was stated in an email from wiki, yet you have reinstated, I will inform subject of this. I am not a close connection, I have worked in the Australian music industry and know some of the subjects history. I couldn't remove tag.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.95.42 (talk) 15:53, 7 September 2014 (UTC) I have contacted subject by twitter, they request TLSuda contact wiki permissions before contributing further to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.95.42 (talk) 15:58, 7 September 2014 (UTC) I have added to Paul Kelly and Christine Anu in the first paragraph, Paul is an Australian music icon, he is one of Australia's prolific songwriters, who ever deleted that must be careful because not attributing or deleting notability in biographical information does not attribute recognition to all subjects involved in a work for historical value, this is not a CV, so only showing dates and names will not do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.95.42 (talk • contribs) 18:28, 7 September 2014[reply]

I get the impression that you are closely linked to MC Opi, by the tone of your messages, so I recommend you read our guidelines on conflict of interest. This article must follow Wikipedia policies and guidelines such as verifiability, neutrality, reliable sources, no original research and especially living peoples biographies. Frankly I couldn't careless what is or is not said on Twitter because it is not a reliable source for Wikipedia purposes. Neither you nor your associates can dictate who is and is not allowed to edit this article because the article does not belong to you or even MC Opi. If somebody writes something nasty about her, then by all means please edit the article to remove it but please don't assume the role of article guardian because we don't acknowledge such things. If something is written about MC Opi in a reliable source and Wikipedia editors choose to include it without casting a harsh light on her, then it will stay in the article. Feel free to ask more questions if you wish but bear in mind that this talk page is for discussing improvements to the article. Green Giant (talk) 19:43, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your assumption is incorrect, I am neutral in this and have over 30 years of knowledge in the Australian music industry. I am aware of the other artists in this article due to my historical studies in this area. I don't assume myself as a guardian of this article yet I can see some Wikipedia volunteers assume the role of having the authority to diminish the value of some of the artists's public recognition in this article, this impacts significantly the artist's public image and their future work, if Wikipedia is being used as a legitimate source of reference. Twitter and Facebook is the more accessible way of connecting to music artists if you are not close to them. I have not told anyone involved in this article to not write anything yet I have witnessed the diminishing of recognition of artists in this article. Some of these artists I have been a fan of like Paul Kelly, its just disturbing to see their value be decreased, even when there are citations and reliable sources. As you can see I am referring to other artists, it is not all about MC Opi, this is a broader issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.95.60 (talk) 07:37, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What are you even talking about? Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. We are not a fan page; we are not here to enhance or "decrease their value" as you assert. We report what 3rd party reliable sources report, no more no less. We do not have an agenda, unlike you. Our goal is to create a free encyclopedia that is well sourced and is available to everyone. Your agenda is to promote someone you are a fan of. You may not be directly connected to the subject, but by communicating with them through twitter about what should be done to this article you are going against WP:COI. TLSuda (talk) 12:07, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have no agenda, simply like many other fans (3rd party), to be involved and communicating on twitter as a fan is not in my mind a breach of any law, I am aware this is not a fan page and was not treating it as one, Wikipedia requires the subject's to have some notable, noteworthy sense of value, am I wrong? On twitter I was not communicating about what should be done, we were all discussing the page, there is quite a number of people who are third party who are fans on her twitter account. Just not understanding all the focus from you on this article, as you said in an earlier message so many articles to work on, but this article is getting a lot of your attention, I'm not accusing you of agenda either!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.95.60 (talk) 13:09, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fans are not considered third party. She herself would be first party, you as a fan would be second, and third is a completely unbiased source that generally has editorial oversight. I think you may be getting things a bit confused here. TLSuda (talk) 13:42, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone know of MC Kye? he performed with Wicked Beats Soundsystem and we have been told he was in a duet with MC Opi. Is he Australian or from New Zealand? We want to write an article on him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.55.0.251 (talk) 16:06, 8 September 2014 (UTC) MC Kye is from New Zealand. I have been in the UK since 1995, so I don't know what happened to MC Kye. I interviewed MC Opi on 2SER Radio Sydney in 1990, she was humble and an almost shy person. I have been trying to find information on her for years. Is she still a hip hop artist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.233.116.168 (talk) 16:47, 8 September 2014 (UTC) The last Wikipedia volunteer has deleted a number of valid cited sources on this article. After reading all this I can only come to the conclusion the article is being vandalised by Wikipedia Volunteers, the last revision by a volunteer is proof of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.119.153.251 (talk) 17:13, 8 September 2014 (UTC) I have read more revisions, do you Wiki Volunteers see a pattern here, it is obvious. This is not only vandalism, the contributors are being bullied into not adding reliable information. The last Wiki volunteer editor is mentioning good faith, you have deleted all reliable citations previously added by another contributor to make it a reliable source. I will add them back but still report the vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.119.129.11 (talk) 17:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC) The Wikipedia volunteers conduct and behaviour on this article in the last 48 hours is questionable, within Wikipedia's rules and guidelines. I have come to the conclusion by reading the history, the subject or contributors are being attacked, it is unsure who at this stage. I agree with TLSuda this is not a fan page but either is this a place for Wiki volunteers to vandalize and bully contributors. This looks like it is quickly escalating into a petty war between contributors and volunteers. I am reporting the vandalism and other conduct so that Wiki's legal team can investigate. I have no bias, I know of the subject through the Australian Hip Hop Wikipedia page. I have tried to fix the article after the volunteers edits, so it has some sensibility but someone is undoing those changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.119.149.253 (talk) 18:20, 8 September 2014 (UTC) There are reliable sourced citations that need to be restored in Collaborations which someone else will have to do, @83.216.95.42 I can see by the history you have been involved in adding some reliable citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.119.148.245 (talk) 18:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC) @94.119.148.245 I have read your comment on Mdann52 talk page regarding more than 30 music artist wiki pages that use terms such as prolific in context of themselves, I can provide over 100 I have seen in the last few days not only with the word prolific but also unreliable sources, yet they are not being assessed by these Wiki volunteers. Mdann52 needs to back up the wrong tone about the context of prolific, with a fact based explanation and then explain why 100 subject article pages which have been on Wiki longer than MC Opi, are not being corrected. Some of these pages belong to big international music acts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.94.57 (talk) 20:16, 8 September 2014 (UTC) Mdann52 seems to say Paul Kelly was not prolific, strange there has been a movie made about him, a Penguin Book published about him, he has been interviewed on the BBC, Guardian Newspaper, ABC. There are papers written on him by Princeton University and other universities. So Mdann52 what is prolific? please clarify. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.94.57 (talk) 20:46, 8 September 2014 (UTC) Tracey Moffat is also notable as required by Wikipedia to be a subject, she has exhibited in the Guggenheim, Tate and most of the major galleries in the world. Universities write papers on her like Paul Kelly! I don't know much about Tracey Moffat, but I am easily finding all this on the web about her. This is not promotion, these are facts. It seems a bit weird to go to an article and only see someone's name and a work they did because you then ask the questions why are they on Wikipedia? why are they notable? I am only addressing what Wiki volunteers on this article seem to be debating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.94.57 (talk) 21:07, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Before you go any further, you would be better off to read WP:COI. I'm saying this because it seems, based on your actions, that you may have a conflict of interest with this article. Second, you should read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. This whole encyclopedia is a work in progress. We notice things as we come across them. I came across this article because of an image. I noticed it had issues. I tagged it as such. You came by and fixed some of the issues. That is exactly what is supposed to happened. You've improved the encyclopedia because editors showed where there were issues. No one here is against you. If we had never pointed out these issues, you may not have ever fixed them. If you find issues with other articles, please tag them or leave notes on the talk page. That way another person who is like you, smart and eager to improve that article, will come by and do like you have done. We are all here to make the encyclopedia better, even you. We all should work together.
I'm very sorry that you feel attacked. I'm sorry that MC Opi feels attacked. No one here is intentionally trying to attack you or MC Opi. We are all trying to build an encyclopedia. Of the editors that you've interacted with, we have combined over 100,000 edits to this encyclopedia. Less than 20 total have been to anything relating to MC Opi. We all have worked on many articles, images, and participated in many discussions. Our only agenda is to improve the encyclopedia within our policies. I know our policies are strict, I know that editors aren't always helpful. But please, instead of thinking we are here to attack you or MC Opi, remember we are here to help you and to build an encyclopedia.
I hope that you can eventually see reason. I don't know anything about MC Opi except what I've read in this article. You've worked very hard on improving that, and I thank you for your hard work. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 23:36, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@TLSuda, Many thanks for your apology. I'm a little confused as to why you needed to state after 3 days of this debate, you do not know of MC Opi because I thought that was a given considering you have quoted a number of times the conflict of interest Wikipedia rule. Also I never stated on here you were attacking MC Opi, neither did any other contributor, so not sure why you stated that. There was mention from one contributor saying they were unsure who it was against. Sorry for my pedantic observations, just a little confused as to your mention of MC Opi. I will take your advice about working on articles that need editing, I was wondering if I became a volunteer like you,do I need to list all my academic qualifications and work experience like you to be on a Wikipedia page? It can be hard to prove all that stuff for myself because there are not many reliable citations but I'm not really sure why I need to promote my background to be a volunteer, I guess it must be a prerequisite?

Just so you know and as I stated I have followed Australian music history for 30 years, infact I am a fan of it all, so maybe I shouldn't contribute to the Australian Music History Wikipedia article, joking! but what constitutes a 2nd party or 3rd party to a country's music history, or are we all 1st parties, ha! I'll leave that to the experts, I'm not one of them! Thank you so much for your message of clarity, it somewhat explains the last few days.

Yes please do become a volunteer and create an account. Click on the "create acount" link at the top of any Wikipedia page. All you need to enter is a username, a password, an email address (optional but very useful), and one of those irritating captcha things. After that you'll get an email to confirm, and after 10 edits and four days you'll be all set. There is no requirement to list any qualifications because all Wikipedia editors are equal when it comes to adding content. I would recommend starting with something simple like the {{userpage}} template and then expand it as and when you feel comfortable. Green Giant (talk) 11:16, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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