Talk:M. P. Alladin

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 21:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that through his depiction of rural Indo-Trinidadian life, artist M. P. Alladin helped legitimise this subject as a topic for portrayal by artists in Trinidad and Tobago? Source: "This major influence among Indian artists was in the subject matter he chose for his paintings. He showed that Indian rural life was a suitable area for exploitation. And like Selvon he gave a new dignity to this subject. The Indian artists now found exciting subjects in their own backyards and their own homes." (James Isiah Boodhoo (1999) The East Indians and the Creative Arts in the Caribbean, Caribbean Quarterly, 45:2-3, 64-66, DOI: 10.1080/00086495.1999.11829617)
  • ALT1:... that M. P. Alladin was called the "Guru of painters" and "the most influential of artists" in Trinidad and Tobago? Source: "M.P., as he was affectionately called, is remembered as the 'Guru of painters' of Trinidad and Tobago in modern times". (Balkaransingh, Satnarine (2017). "The Role of the Tassa Drum Ensemble in Trinidad and Tobago's Cultural Identity Formation". In Hassankhan, Maurits S.; Roopnarine, Lomarsh; Mahase, Radica (eds.). Social and cultural dimensions of Indian indentured labour and its diaspora : past and present. London: Routledge. pp. 319–342.) "He has been without dispute the most influential of artists in Trinidad and Tobago"(James Isiah Boodhoo (1999) The East Indians and the Creative Arts in the Caribbean, Caribbean Quarterly, 45:2-3, 64-66, DOI: 10.1080/00086495.1999.11829617)
  • ALT2:... that M. P. Alladin's artwork gave "new dignity" and legitimacy to the portrayal of rural Indo-Trinidadian life by artists in Trinidad and Tobago?
  • ALT3:... that in Trinidad and Tobago, the depictions of rural Indo-Trinidadian life by M. P. Alladin helped legitimise this subject as a topic for portrayal by artists.

• Reviewed: Saluche

Created by Guettarda (talk). Self-nominated at 19:41, 11 November 2020 (UTC).

Interesting influential life, on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I'd like to polish a bit on the original hook, finding the other a bit not specific enough. I think Indo-Trinidadian is a tricky expression to start with, and rather think it could begin "that in Trinidad and Tobago, ...", without link - for current countries, which goes also for the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much Gerda Arendt, and I appreciate your help with the hook (I know I'm out of my depth when I try to write about art and artists). What do you think of the Alts 2 and 3? Guettarda (talk) 06:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I think your writing is fine, and we just need to overcome my language limits which may be similar to those of other readers. Having thouht about it, I think we might drop the whole long place name, and create a pipe for the impossible Indo-Trinidadian and Tobagonian which I misunderstood! Only when looking it up did I realise that it actually means "from India" here. Perhaps "people in Trinidad with origin in India"? "Indian" is too ambiguous. I think for the hook, we should drop Tobago, and we might specify just Trinidad after his birth place, and in that place's article. And portrayal is more for portraits, no? My take:

ALT2a: ... that M. P. Alladin depicted rural life of people in Trinidad with origin in India in his paintings, and has been credited with giving "a new dignity" to the topic?

ALT2b: ... that M. P. Alladin depicted rural life of people in Trinidad with origin from India in his art, and has been credited with giving "a new dignity" to the subject?

Or comibinations of the elements. - I always like to meet your name which has all of "my" letters in the same order ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

• @Gerda Arendt: and @Guettarda: the last post was made over a month ago. What is the final decision on the hook? Yoninah (talk) 00:28, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

  Yoninah, perhaps you could approve one of the last hooks that I proposed? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

• The new alts are good but this sentence needs an inline cite in the article per WP:DYK#Cited hook: Alladin's portrayal of rural Indo-Trinidadian life in his paintings legitimised it as a subject for other Indo-Trinidadian painters who were trained in Western artistic traditions. I suggest this tweak of the hook wording:
• ALT2c: ... that M. P. Alladin depicted rural Indo-Trinidadian life in his art, and has been credited with giving "a new dignity" to the subject? Yoninah (talk) 13:34, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Still needs a review. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:53, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

ALT2c is fine, thank you, Yoninah. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)