Talk:M. G. Ramachandran/Archive 1

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Archive 1

View on LTTE

Why is this section important. It has absolutely no content. I suggest that this be removed. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 16:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Screenshots removed

Film screenshots are not eligible for fair use in an article like this, unless the film in question is being critiqued/discussed. Therefore they have been removed from the article. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 13:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Guinness Book citation

To Anwar Saadat,

This is from the 1986 British edition of Guinness Book of Records - the large hardbound one (not the US paperback editions) with a drawing of an astronaut on the cover.

Page 219, Chapter : Relegions, accidents and disasters :

Largest funeral : The funeral of the charismatic CN Annadurai (died 3 Feb 1969), Madras chief minister, was, according to a police estimate, attended by 15 million people.

I am pretty sure that Limca book of records will have this as well, but have no way to check at the moment.

I am going to revert it again in a couple of hours. I don't know whether the whole of TN attended or if the police miscounted. I have stated my source. It is for you to find a better one to contradict it instead of changing it to what you *think*. Tintin (talk) 01:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Obviously its a typo... (1.5m --> 15m) Total population of Tamil Nadu on the eve of Anna's death was about 30m. Do you seriously expect half of them to enter his residence at Madras? And MGR died after 1986. Common sense needs no source. Anwar 01:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

If it is one, they haven't corrected it for 20 years, (and apparently, nobody noticed such a huge error ). If a reputed source says so, it stands until contradicted by a more authentic one. Do also take a look at the first line in WP:V. And it is not said anywhere that they went to their house (apparently it was at Marina). Tintin (talk) 02:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Never mind. Typos are common in publishing industry. Infact I have seen several substandard texts interchangebaly using the words million and lakh as if they were one and the same. Anwar 02:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

But until it is proved, with a better source (maybe a news item from Hindu), that they are wrong this stands. Tintin (talk) 02:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe, they have added up the number of people who came to pay respects, and not just the people who attended the final rites ? But they call it a funeral, so .... Tintin (talk) 02:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I added a question at the reference desk to see whether any one can add more to this. Also, note that we don't have a single source which says that MGR's funeral was the largest. ~~From a search, Pope John's funeral drew a crowd between 2 and 4 million see this for an eg which in itself nullifies that claim.~~ Tintin (talk) 06:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I had forgot about this. I am removing it now :

(a) We have an authentic source (Guinness book) which calls another funeral the biggest in the world. See WP:V; also note that even if the estimate is wrong by a factor of seven, Annadurai's will still be bigger than MGR's. That discussion is for the Annadurai page, not this one.

(b) We don't have a single source which calls MGR's the biggest. Even if we have a ref, it must be one that is more authentic than the GBofR. Tintin (talk) 05:09, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Use of movie posters and film stills

I don't believe the use of these images is permitted by fair use on this article, only on articles about the movie or the poster itself. A Ramachandran 06:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Flimography section

I think the filmography section of MGR can be moved as a seperate entry as Filmography of MGR because, in my opinion this section gets on the way of the reader. What do other editors think? Cheers Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 15:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

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I don't think the above image is encyclopedic nor it serves any purpose. Please do let me know if am wrong. Cheers Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 20:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

MGR's root

I got this info from the url http://www.namboothiri.com/articles/bhrashtu.htm. It talks about a person by name Melakkath Gopala Menon, whos son became a famous film actor, a political leader and top administrator. Is he MGR's father?

1.The first Case (1903): A widowed "Antharjanam" of an Illam near Kunnamkulam was suspected of sexual misconduct. During the "Smaartha Vichaaram" she confessed to have had illicit relations with 15 persons of various communities from Namboothiri to a barber. The verdict resulted in excommunication of all the 15 and the Antharjanam herself.

One of the victims is said to have been Melakkath Gopala Menon, a judicial officer in Thrissur, who had married Meenakshi Amma of Vattaparambil Nair family of Irinjalakuda. He left his family, went to Palakkad where he married a lower caste woman and together left for Sri Lanka. When he died after two sons were born, his widow returned to Tamil Nadu with her children. One of the boys later became a famous film actor, a political leader and top administrator.

Yes MGRs father was excommunicated for his relations with the Antherjanam. He married Satyabhama, an Ezhava lady, and went off to Sri Lanka and it was here that MGR lived. Indeed MGRs dad is the Melakkath Gopala Menon who was excommunicated after the Smarthavicharam. He was not a Nair. His mom was an Ezhava. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.89.252 (talk) 14:33, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Not a fan page

There are too many photos.I appreciate the effort BUT I have seen no other photo gallery for a user, please pick two or three which back up the article. I have removed email address and personal comment, as they are unencyclopedic. Would appreciate comments.. --DManning(talk) 12:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I am being bold and removing the gallery. Only important pictures which reinforce and help clarify the article should remain, please do not reinstate the gallery or add more pics without discussing it here. Cheers Dmanning 05:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for removing the gallery of pictures that i have put in to make the article on MGR more interesting. Will you be bold enough to remove pictures of any other great leader say Mahatma Gandhi or Adolf Hitler??? All these pictures are a part of the history of tamil nadu and user:Dmanning is acting in a saddistic manner Kumarrajendran (59.92.51.155 01:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)).

Yes I would, please go back and look at the photos and ask yourself if EACH ONE deserves to be there. I added a selection I thought improved the article, if you have a website feel free to host them and link to it but Ghandi, Hitler and no other Bio page has a gallery with most of the pictures being him shaking hands with someone else. Have a good day Dmanning 17:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

interested that most online sources prefer 'Marudar'. To 'Maruthar' (as at top of main page). Not sure if worth changing... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.240.229.68 (talk) 09:55, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

i want the moderators to update some information between MGR and LTTE to make this page neutral

anton balasingham former LTTE political ideologue says late M G Ramachandran had assiduously promoted the interests of his organisation. He helped them out financially too, giving them as much as Rs 6 crore from out of his personal funds, and in hard cash at that. [1]Raja.m82 (talk) 06:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Kannada fans of MGR

MGR was and is revered in Karnataka especially Mysore region and south kannada . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.12.255 (talk) 06:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

"pls remove RAMAN THEDIYA SEETHAI, replace it with ADIMAI PEN"

Someone added that to the article. I don't know whether it should be done or not. Everyking 13:16, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Improving this article

I think this article needs a lot of work in terms of presenting MGR as a whole. It seems very one sided mostly due to the fact that there are very few sources that focus on criticism or shortfalls, due to his popularity. I added a criticism section to make to give a more complete picture of his administration. I got most of the information from a well written paper that can be accessed through this link: http://nile.lub.lu.se/ojs/index.php/st/article/download/2939/2502. If anyone can help finding more resources, so that we can give a more complete biography on MGR, it would be great! Nader85021 (talk) 04:54, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Good job JK (talk) 05:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Removal of sentence

Hi all,

There is a sentence in the article in 3rd paragraph of the section "The bullet was permanently lodged in his neck and his voice damaged". I would like to present two different citations

Both the citations represent the conflicting statement. Well, the statement "The bullet was permanently lodged in his neck and his voice damaged" may seem trivial but content on the article should be as much correct as possible. So, requesting you all to remove this statement unless a correct and strong citation is put. Work2win (talk) 20:07, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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Citations needed , Peacock words need rewording

This wiki needs further citations - could someone please add them from reliable sources? I have deleted some of the peacock words, and have also added the sections where references are needed / claims made need justification. Any help in improving this wiki further would be most appreciated.

If someone has read MGR's autobiography, that could be used as a reliable reference. Other biographies and newspaper / magazine articles (preferably not by agencies that are funded by AIADMK) would be useful as these would be more in lien with Wikipedia guidelines on referencing. Thank you - ~``` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Notthebestusername (talk • contribs) 09:42, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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112.134.3.118 (talk) 02:21, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Kindly update the main picture with a proper one like this http://kb4images.com/images/mgr-images/37498739-mgr-images.jpg

Cheers!!! Ravitharan

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change 'The family was an inter-caste one, since Satyabhama was an Ezhava' to ' He married Satyabhama who was from the Nair house of Marathur in VADAVANNUR (PALAKKAD) ' source : http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2017/jan/16/house-that-raised-mgr-the-enigma-cries-for-its-due-1559967.html

clarification : please also note that tharavads(ancestral house) is an integral part of the Nair culture, I am a member of this family and we are not izhavas. If Wikipedia cant provide factual data atleast about a great leader, then it should cease to exist rather than misleading people.

Rathish.999 (talk) 13:39, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 15:14, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

To remove some unnecessary controversial information

Bharath ratna was awarded to MGR based on his contribution to indian society. But in this page some unnecessary information are there which is ridiculous and unnecessary. To remove those sentences, please allow me to edit this page. MURUGANANDHAM SIVASUBRAMANIAN (talk) 08:33, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

To remove "Criticism and controversies" from this page

MGR is very respectable and role modal icon in Tamil nadu. Many people are strictly following his ways and advises. But this page has some truthless and baseless criticisms. Please allow me to remove those unnecessary information ("Criticism and controversies"). MURUGANANDHAM SIVASUBRAMANIAN (talk) 08:47, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

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Hi,

Please note that in this age it is mentioned that the Honorary Doctorate Degree was given to M.G.Ramachandran in 1974 which is incorrect.

Please correct the details with actual date/year and the reason as to why it was given including "Bharat Ratna" Award by the Indian Government.

Thanks & regards,

SAILESHKB — Preceding unsigned comment added by SAILESHKB (talk • contribs) 14:08, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Middle name confusions

According to the Times of India source used in the early life section, his middle name is "Gopalamenon", as per the Print source, it is "Gopalan", the one which is in present version of the article and is for quite sometime. Thirdly, as per Britannica it is "Gopala". I've restored the longstanding version. Waiting for a better source to solve this issue. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:35, 8 March 2021 (UTC)