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History should be consistent with Lyttelton road tunnel.

The History section of this article should be consistent with that of the Lyttelton road tunnel because they share a common history, along with the construction of the Sumner Road. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 04:01, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Who are the first settlers

It is unclear what is meant by Canterbury's first settlers. If one ignores Maori settlements, whalers, sealers, and early explorers, the first European settlement attempt in Canterbury was a French one at Akaroa in 1840. The Deans were farming at Riccarton by 1845 and the Canterbury Association already had surveyors and road-builders in and around Christchurch and Lyttelton during 1849 and 1850. The Bridle Path wasn't surveyed or constructed until November 1850, barely in time for the first Canterbury Association immigrants in December 1850. So this introductory sentence needs to be more precise or else more explanation is needed. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 21:42, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article name

Why is this article called Lyttelton Rail Tunnel rather than Lyttelton Railway Tunnel? There doesn't seem to be any redirect from the latter name, nor is there a redirect from Moorhouse Tunnel, which would be an alternative and shorter name. I realise it cannot be simply called the Lyttelton Tunnel because there is also the Lyttelton Road Tunnel. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 23:06, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly because lots of authoritative sources call it that, which would indicate it's the common name. For example, [1] [2] [3] [4]. Nothing wrong with setting up a redirect. Schwede 66 23:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest tunnel

The lead section should knock your socks off when the various feats about this tunnel are stated. So why is this Railway Tunnel described as the oldest operational railway tunnel? It is New Zealand's oldest railway tunnel! The fact it is still operational is assumed by the use of the present tense. This is an assumption that does not need to be described in the lead section as it confuses people. (When I read the lead I wondered so what is older but no longer operational?) If it wasn't operational then we would be referring to it in the past tense or calling it obsolete or unused. Since it is the oldest, it has also to be the longest at the time it was built. And it remained the longest until 1923, when the Otira Tunnel was completed - which is not stated anywhere. And if that was not enough it was the first railway tunnel in the world to be driven through volcanic rock and/or the side of an extinct volcano. Can the lead section be rewritten to say all this more concisely by dropping all the confusing qualifications? (Fewer words are more informative.) - Cameron Dewe (talk) 12:01, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All good points. Go for it! Schwede 66 04:37, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]