Talk:Luke Short/Archive 1

Archive 1

Early life

Can someone explain this sentence at the end of the Early Life section? "James Cook, in "40 Years..." he watched Short practicing draw-and- shoot on the banks of South Platte River and said he never saw anyone faster."? SLEPhoto (talk) 20:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Died in Fort Worth TX - not Kansas

According to Bat Masterson in Gunfighters of the Western Frontier, Short died in Fort Worth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plunkettphoto (talk • contribs) 18:01, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

In response to the above. The blog Sweethearts of the West disagrees, stating he died in Geuda Springs, KS, of congestive heart failure (or cardiomyopathy?) and his body was taken to Oakwood cemetery in Fort Worth. This same blog site claims he was born in Arkansas, rather than Mississippi as others claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.230.245.39 (talk) 01:05, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Yep. And you can write any nonsense you want to on your blog. That's why they are not considered reliable sources for Wikipedia. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 21:07, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to merge with Luke Short — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 22:45, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with Luke Short – Jim Courtright duel

There is insufficient information about the gunfight at present, while the parent article about Luke Short is (ahem) short of info. If more info about the gunfight is later found, the subject might merit its own article at that time. Much of the info about the gunfight is duplicated in the articles about the individuals. — btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Coming in a bit late, but I'd support a merge, especially since it's unsourced and the existing external links all go to dead or defunct links. Intothatdarkness 22:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone have any more thoughts on this? Intothatdarkness 15:33, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Support—$1LENCE D00600D (talk) 01:20, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Completed today. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 22:45, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposed merge with Luke Short - Jim Courtright Duel

This article has content relating to the Luke Short - Jim Courtright Duel Gramalow (talk) 18:26, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

No merger Thanks for your interest in improving the information about the Luke Short and Jim Courtright conflict. You can't "merge" one article with another that doesn't yet exist. There was formerly a very brief article about the duel that contained very little not already contained in the separate articles about the two individuals. A merger proposal (see above) was made and I completed that merger, moving what little content that was original in the "duel" article to the Courtright article. If you can come up with sufficient content to create a new article that's just about the duel, that'd be great. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 05:41, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Recent additions and sources

@User:Jack DeMattos thanks for your continued contributions to Luke Short and for adding some sources. As you add references, remember that anyone reading the article should be able to readily find the relevant citation. Since you are a writer and researcher, I"m sure you understand that a citation lacking sufficient information to verify the source has little value. For example, if you're citing a book, that means including the ISBN number, or if you're citing an article, the magazine volume and issue number. The citation should preferably include a link to the online article. To format citations consistently, you can use the {{cite}} template. You may also be able to use the drop down citation tool. In the Edit toolbar, click Cite and then choose Templates > and the type of citation you want to add. For details, see citations and reliable sources.

If possible, avoid providing your own work as a source, but instead cite the source in which you found that info. This avoids any possible conflict of interest or perception that you might be engaged in self promotion of your very recently published book, which will cause some editors to preemptively delete your contributions. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 20:00, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Jack Demattos Hey Jack, you don't want to supply more content as a reference, no matter how well founded in all the vast reading and research you've done it may be. Just look at the reception that kind of work got Glenn Boyer. If it's sourced and relevant info, put it in the article. For example, you replaced two citation needed tags with the following:

• <ref>The White Elephant was no corner bar. It was described in ''The Fort Worth Daily Gazette'' of December 12, 1884 as the "Pride of the city" and "the largest and most magnificent establishment in the state." The paper detailed the various games of chance, in the "club rooms" that Luke was in charge of. That large gambling section, controlled by Luke, also included a dozen billiard tables. Short maintained an office at the White Elephant and greeted customers, but never dealt cards there.</ref>

• <ref>During June 1882 William H. Harris became one of the five founders of the Bank of Dodge City and served as Vice President of the bank. On August 17, 1882 ''The Dodge City Times'' reported that "W.H. Harris purchased of J. Collar, the latter's interest in the C.O.D. brand of cattle, paying about $20,000. The firm of Beeson & Harris now owns the C.O.D. brand."</ref>

References ought to include the title, the publisher, the original date, a URL if possible, a page number, an author's name, and the date your found the source. Not more content. Without reliable sources, they call it original research around here and that gets your hand slapped. Keep it up, and they put you in the calaboose for a day or two until you simmer down. If you don't shape up, they could even take you out in the desert and put you in the hot box for a week or more. Just like when you move to a new town, you gotta learn the ways so you fit in and don't rile up the residents who've been used to doing things their way, and in fact, you gotta do it their way or it's the highway for you. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 19:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Copy edit still required

Jack Demattos, Hi. Just wanted to let you know that although you removed the copy edit tag, I believe the article still merits attention. It contains an excessive amount of flowery, descriptive, non-encyclopedic style writing. This, for example, is especially evident in the section about the |Showdown with Jim Courtright. Since you added much of this language, you may not be the best judge about when a copy edit to clean up this magazine-style writing is actually complete. I suggest you seek input from other editors before you remove it again. You can even just ask me if you want. Thanks for contributing your expertise to this and other articles! — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 18:10, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Copy edit

I have given this a thorough copy edit, and cut it back by 1,500 words by removing what I felt to be trivia, off topic information or unnecessary detail. It is clear that a lot of work has gone into this article, so apologies to the editors who wrote what I deleted. If you are reviewing what of it could be put back in, could I ask that you ask yourself if it is on topic in an encyclopediac manner and covers the topic in a suitably succinct way first? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:37, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

What happened to his 29 year old widow???

Article is incomplete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:243:0:ABE7:D8DB:8B6F:DEA5:7A95 (talk) 17:40, 16 January 2018 (UTC)