Talk:Luis de Góngora

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Ancestry

(cur) (last) 17:09, 6 July 2007 200.52.255.5 (Talk) (17,528 bytes) (He was not jewish. IN fact "De" is a title of nobelty, like the geman von. After the catholic kings there were not nobles of jewish dsecent) (undo)

A totally ignorant claim. The entire nobility of Spain was of mixed so called Old Christian and Jewish descent. There are hundreds books on that topic. Among authors major Spanish historian Ortiz. User: Francisco. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.74.178.149 (talk) 03:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, the Spanish nobility descended from the Goths and they were not mixed with the Jews. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.158.121.193 (talk) 23:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just put all of the above in a separate section for organization purposes. No other changes made. With regard to the actual subject, I understand that Quevedo's barbs at Gongora often accused him of being Jewish or of Jewish descent. Admittedly, my information is from the narratives in the Captain Alatrise series; but, if it is true, the accusations should probably be included, in proper context. 166.122.98.137 (talk) 20:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC), properly IMHO (talk) 21:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup

These sentences don't scan very well:

"Velázquez painted his portrait. Numerous documents, lawsuits and satires of his rival Quevedo paint a picture of a man jovial, sociable, and talkative, who loved card-playing and bullfights."

I put the period after the first sentence as it was a longer run on before that. But even with that change the whole thing is fairly unwieldy. I also question if a source supports this, particularly that Quevedo's satires paint such a picture. 166.122.98.137 (talk) 20:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC), properly IMHO (talk) 21:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Translation

There are a variety of quotes in Spanish on this page, which is good, but as this is the English Wikipedia, could someone find an English translation of them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.92.117.213 (talk) 03:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Most prominent Andalusian...

[...]were the most prominent Andalusian poets of their age[...] Sure he was Andalusian, but I daresay he and Quevedo were probably the most prominent poets in all of Spain anyway, and Quevedo was not Andalusian, for that matter. If we want to keep the Andalusia thing, what about: "was a Spanish (Andalusian) poet [...] are widely considered (citations,etc.) the most prominent Spanish poets of their age"? I'm changing that if there is no opposition.--195.235.31.154 (talk) 21:32, 11 May 2010 (UTC) Huh... Looks like somebody has altered the whole intro to emphasize his "Andalusian-ity", since the "Spanish Baroque" link is now redirecting to "Andalusian Baroque Literature" which doesn't exist. Maybe we don't need the Andalusia reference on the intro anyway, as it's not an ethnicity or anything (we could just as well say that he was Cordoban), if we put the place of birth/death together with the dates so it would be obvious that he was born in Córdoba, which leads to Andalusia through minimal research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.235.31.154 (talk) 21:41, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

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Lots of interesting information but much of it isn't written in real English. It seems to have been translated word for word from a Spanish language source. Also lots of typos and bad markup. Could some of it be machine-generated? It needs going over by someone who knows both the subject and English.

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