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A fact from Lucy Smith Millikin appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 July 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Lucy Smith Millikin was one of the first Latter Day Saints to participate in baptism for the dead?

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A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the On this day section on July 18, 2021 and July 18, 2023.

DYK nomination

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The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 14:51, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Lucy Smith Millikin

... that Lucy Smith Millikin (pictured) was one of the first Latter Day Saints to participate in baptism for the dead? Source: (Williams, Nathan H. (2005). United by Faith: The Joseph Sr. and Lucy Mack Smith Family. American Fork, Utah: Covenant Communications. pp. 399–423. ISBN 9781591569985.)
- ALT1:... that Lucy Smith Millikin (pictured) joined a committee of Latter Day Saints who encouraged "apostates" to leave Nauvoo, Illinois? Source: (Williams, Nathan H. (2005). United by Faith: The Joseph Sr. and Lucy Mack Smith Family. American Fork, Utah: Covenant Communications. pp. 399–423. ISBN 9781591569985.)
- ALT2:... that while running to spread the news about her brothers' release from prison, Lucy Smith Millikin (pictured) fainted? Source: "We get our first glimpses of Lucy, then in her late teens, during the 1839 migration and settlement in Illinois: losing her shoes in the icy mud near their Mississippi crossing, fainting at Quincy after running to tell Hyrum’s wife that Joseph and Hyrum were released from prison" (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1979/03/i-have-a-question/what-were-joseph-smiths-sisters-like?lang=eng)

Reviewed: Ryan Pretorius

Created by Cstickel(byu) (talk). Self-nominated at 15:00, 22 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Article and hooks appear to meet requirements and I didn't find any close paraphrasing. The hooks (particularly ALT2) could probably be improved by explicitly mentioning her as being Joseph Smith's sister. There's a sentence in the article that says "passed away"; such wording is usually avoided in articles per WP:EUPHEMISM. QPQ has been done. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Article is scheduled to appear on the Main Page for Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/July 18 for the 200th anniversary of her birth. I don't remember if DYK has a specific policy about this, but from the OTD perspective, articles are supposed to only get one appearance per year as a featured item on the Main Page. While exceptions do happen (mostly due to human error), this means that if it appears in any other section in a calendar year, I won't select it for OTD. Normally, articles don't get into OTD before DYK, so this is kind of an outlier, but I would suggest that this article be considered ineligible for DYK because of this. Alternatively, if DYK is the preferred outlet, then I'll be happy to remove it from OTD this year despite the bicentennial anniversary. —howcheng {chat} 08:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about OTD, but in the case of ITN an article is ineligible for DYK if it appears as a bolded link in an ITN blurb, but not if the article is listed under Recent Deaths. Given that her appearance in selected anniversaries is not a blurb but rather under the births/dates section, I presume that the rules for OTD are similar and the article can still run on DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since OTD got first crack at it, I guess that works. If it had been the other way around, I would have excluded it from OTD. Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 07:16, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Cstickel(byu): Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:30, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: You're correct. see item 1D under Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Eligibility_criteria. Since it just appeared as a bolded name at the bottom and not in a blurb, it's DYK eligible. I'll correct that euphemism, and let me know if there's any other work that needs to be done.

Proposing ALT2a:~~...that Lucy Smith Millikin (pictured) fainted while running to spread the news about her brothers (Joseph and Hyrum Smith) being released from prison?~~ Cstickel(byu) (talk) 13:41, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd personally remove the parentheses from the hook since those are usually discouraged in hooks, but other than that it sounds good. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:40, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not a personal preference: the parentheses must be removed from the hook as they are avoidable (see WP:DYKSG#C9):

ALT2b: ... that Lucy Smith Millikin (pictured) fainted while running to spread the news about her brothers Joseph and Hyrum Smith being released from prison?

However, I don't find fainting due to running particularly interesting, and don't recommend that ALT2b or ALT2 be approved. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:15, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for catching that with the parentheses. I agree with BlueMoonset; ALT2b isn't the best. It's pretty much only there for the Joseph Smith name drop. For what it's worth, I think ALT1 is the most interesting—but I think ALT0 would also get some pageviews. Cstickel(byu) (talk) 15:00, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, with the issues addressed, I think the nomination is good to go. There appears to be some agreement to go with either ALT0 or ALT1; I have a slight preference for ALT0 but would not oppose ALT1. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:03, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]