Talk:Lucien Sarti

E Howard Hunt

Apparently E Howard Hunt, according to Rolling Stone, has said Sarti was one of the gunmen on the grassy knoll[1]. Should this be included? --Gwern (contribs) 16:38 4 April 2007 (GMT)

He only said it was a French gunman, but the Rolling Stone article inferred that Sarti was probably who he was referring to.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.39.212.101 (talk • contribs) 18:10, 12 April 2007‎

Replacement of uncited material

I am removing the following uncited material in the article:

He was named on the television series The Men Who Killed Kennedy as one of the men who shot at U.S. President John F. Kennedy in Dealy Plaza on the day of his assassination. The series aimed to critically analyze the evidence in the assassination and attacked the Warren Commission conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald had acted alone in killing Kennedy.

In one of the late episodes of the series, aired in 2003 on The History Channel, French prisoner Christian David named Sarti as one of three French criminals hired to carry out the assassination of Kennedy on November 22, 1963, when he was interviewed by author Anthony Summers. David's account was corroborated by Michel Nicoli, a former associate of David's who is currently in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's witness protection program. Sarti was the only man David explicitly named, as Sarti had been killed by police in Mexico City in 1972. The trio had all been working for heroin trafficker Auguste Ricord, a known client of the Marseilles underworld, at the time of Kennedy's death.

Writer Stephen Rivele, the man who named Sarti on "The Men Who Killed Kennedy", said that Sarti was the one who had fired from the grassy knoll and hit the president in the head. As well as Lucien Sarti, he also named Sauveur Pironti and Roger Bocognani as being involved in the killing. However, Pironti and Bocognani both had alibis and Rivele was forced to withdraw the allegation.

Journalistic and police sources in Paris and Marseilles told Revelle that Sarti was known as an extremely daring and reckless man, known and despised even by his own associates for taking enormous chances; but that the willingness to take these chances was what made him such a successful drug trafficker and assassin.

I have replaced the material with cited information. Location (talk) 00:26, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

For future reference

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20%20Files/Dead%20Ends/Dead%20Ends%20070.pdf - Location (talk) 05:40, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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The article currently cites Contrabandista! by Evert and Nicholas Horrock to state that Sarti was born circa 1931, but Osvaldo Aguirre's La Conexion Latina: de La Mafia Corsa a la Ruta Argentina de La Heroina and others state that he was born "8 de octubre de 1937". This is consistent with this article in The New York Times that states: "The other was headed by Lucien Sarti, the fugitive murderer of a Belgian policeman, who arrived in South America in 1966, when he was 29, to look into the narcotics trade." I will update the DOB. - Location (talk) 21:06, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Good, but this title is not in the article's bibliography, and it does not have even a data of publication (not to mention a publisher). As it is it looks like just that: a title, not really a source? Thank you, warshy ^(¥¥) 21:53, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Oops. I did have the date, but I left off the publisher and had an error in the title. - Location (talk) 22:44, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I believe that everything is correct now. Thanks again, warshy ^(¥¥) 22:20, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Crime prodigy?

From the first lines of the bio: "In 1948, Sarti founded the group Piedra Fuerte with fellow Corsicans Auguste Ricord and Francois Chiappe, which smuggled opium in the Golden Triangle". Sarti was born in late 1937,. so he would have been 10-11 years old at the time of launching an international drug smuggling outfit focusing on Indochina, on the other side of the world. There is something that just doesn't add up here... ;) 188.150.64.57 (talk) 02:48, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Ha! Good catch. An earlier version of this article said he was born circa 1931, based on a source that stated he died at age 41. G. Robert Blakey said “Lucien Sarti arrived in South America in 1966 at the age of 29…”(see p. 251 here) which would mean circa 1937. I think the issue here is that Sarti was not associated with Ricord until 1966. I’ll try to incorporate better sources. -Location (talk) 06:45, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I failed to notice that Sarti's DOB was discussed in the previous section on this talk page. Blakey's statement is footnoted, but the reference page in that report is missing. It is dated July 1982, so I bet he got that information from the April 1975 article in The New York Times article here. -Location (talk) 16:03, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I have removed the following text:

In 1948, Sarti founded the group Piedra Fuerte with fellow Corsicans Auguste Ricord and Francois Chiappe, which smuggled opium in the Golden Triangle. Chiappe was known to be part of the Organisation armée secrète, a French dissident paramilitary terrorist group that conducted targeted assassinations and bombings, including the attempted assassination of Charles de Gaulle in 1962.

I am unable to find any sources that confirm Sarti formed a relationship with Ricord and Chiappe in 1948. Ricord appears to have left Paris with Joseph Orsini in 1944 for Italy and Spain before arriving in Argentina in 1947.[2] Chiappe arrived in Argentina in 1965[3] and Sarti arrived in South America in 1966.[4] A connection between them was established in the late 1960s or early 1970s.[5] -Location (talk) 17:11, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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