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Reviewer: Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 15:20, 6 August 2011 (UTC) Will begin shortly, 9th August.[reply]

Thanks a bunch! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:33, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, quite a few things are concerning me about this article. It will take a while to review. I'm surprised this has been Peer Reviewed because a lot of the prose is awkward to read and doesn't flow, making it difficult, and as a result uninteresting, to read. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 16:10, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's OK. I knew that was coming. Take your time. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:30, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to do one section at a time, and wait for you to make those changes to that section before I move onto the next, as to not bombard you with a load of corrections. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 16:33, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea. Makes the most sense. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
  2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
    B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
    C. It contains no original research:
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
  4. Is it neutral?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
  5. Is it stable?
    It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
  6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
    A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
    B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:


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Lead info

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  1. Barbadian doesn't need to be linked, Bajan is actually the correct term.
  2. "on the chorus" → Not needed, it doesn't matter how much you do, if you a featured, then you are featured, no need to state the specifics here.
  3. "It was produced by English hip hop producer Alex da Kid with the chorus written by American singer-songwriter Skylar Grey. Additional vocal production on Rihanna's vocals were provided by Makeba Riddick." → Start with the three writers, remove the bit about Grey writing the chorus as it is not needed here, then say who produced it, and keep it in one sentence as it is talking about the same thing.
  4. "Eminem and his manager originally reached out to Rihanna when he had heard the track that Kid produced." → Why?
  5. "The song marks Alex da Kid's first collaboration with Eminem." → Short and awkward to read, incorporate into another sentence, preferably the where you mention the producers above. Actually, this is irrelevant, remove it. It's also his first time working with Rihanna, but you haven't mentioned it, it's not needed.
  6. "Eminem dedicated this song to people who have been through a bad relationship, as the song is about someone whom he loves but the girl does not love him back." → Introduce this sentence with "Lyrically, the song is about... and Eminem dedicated the song...".
  7. "that incorporates aggressive themes" → Example?
  8. ""Love the Way You Lie" also incorporates themes of domestic violence." → Too short, awkward to read, expand, move or remove.
  9. "The song has been covered and remixed by The Pretty Reckless, Yomo, Cher Lloyd, Ariana Grande, Alex Feather Akimov and Rudiger." → How about: "The song has been covered by a multitude of other recording artists, including..."
  10. "A sequel to the song titled "Love the Way You Lie (Part II)" was recorded and released on Rihanna's album, Loud. The song is mainly told from the female perspective, unlike the original." → Two short and weak sentences, they are talking about the same thing, so why two separates sentences? It makes it so labouring to read with these constant short sentences, it just reads like a list of hard facts. This will apply to other sections in the article too.
  11. "largely positive reception" → Poor choice of words.
  12. "Rihanna's appearance in the song" → Poor choice of word, find another for "appearance". She is vocally in the song, not physically.
  13. "The chemistry between Eminem and Rihanna was widely-praised as well." → Short, awkward. Why not include in the previous section?
  14. "It claimed the top spot on 23 national charts worldwide, performing especially well in the United States, peaking at number one on the US Hot 100 for seven consecutive weeks, giving Eminem his fourth number-one hit on the chart and Rihanna her seventh. " → This is a good example of sentence structure. You have covered all the points in one clear and concise sentence, it was interesting and engaging to read. This is what you should be doing with your sentences. Incorporating the facts in to one well balanced sentence, not a load of 7 word sentences with is annoying to read.
  15. "and was the best-selling" → "and became the best-selling"
  16. "23 national charts" → "twenty-three national charts" Also, by national do you mean 23 US charts? Or is it a mistake and you mean 23 international charts? As I don't think there are 23 charts this song could possibly chart on in the US, is there? Is there even 23 US Billboard charts?
  17. "earned Eminem six awards and 17 other nominations" → "earned Eminem six awards out of seventeen nominations around the world"
  18. "getting nods" → 'nods' ? Awful choice of word.
  19. "The accompanying music video was directed by Joseph Kahn." → When was it shot? Where was it shot? Date and location is needed here, it's another very short sentence.
  20. "The video stars thespians Dominic Monaghan and Megan Fox as a couple in a love-hate relationship. Throughout the plot, they fight, kiss and make up multiple times." → Re-word this to be one sentence.
  21. "The video caused controversy because of the heavy occurrence of domestic violence in it" → "However, the video sparked controversy, because of the heavy and explicit themes of domestic violence."
  22. "Fans and reporters also speculated that the video may be related to the personal relationships of Eminem and Rihanna with Kimberly Scott (Kim Mathers) and Chris Brown respectively" → "Additionally, fans and music critics speculated..." Also, put a "," before "respectively".

This may look harsh, but it's in the best interest for the article. The prose is bad in the sense that it just doesn't flow cohesively and it constantly interrupted by the abundant use of full stops ("."). It just reads like a list of hard facts, with no connecting words in between to make them flow. Put a  Done marking the ones which you have done, or a  Not done marking those which you have not done, with a reason for your concern. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 19:33, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done all. Thanks for being extremely patient and constructive. Most reviewers would've probably failed the article. Check to make sure I did them right. The national charts issue was factually wrong. It claimed 26 charts total worldwide. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:34, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's alright. The way I see it is that if the editor is hard working and conscientious, they will make the changes a.s.a.p. I don't see the point of failing for just one thing, if everyone did, then articles would never pass first time round. Plus, it's just annoying to wait weeks and maybe months to get another reviewer, I think if possible, then articles should be made as good as possible as soon as possible so that it is reliable and factual for readers, but if the prose is horrific, no grammar, no formatted references, missing information, then that is different. But for things like what I have mentioned, they are quickly and easily changed as don't warrant a fail straight away. Anyway...! haa. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 21:13, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is great as I am addressing your issues and writing the "E.T." (song) review simultaneously. I can use your advice for better reviewing. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 21:19, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Section  Done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 14:37, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Background

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  1. ""Love the Way You Lie" was released by Interscope Records as the second single off of Recovery due to a leak that surfaced on June 8, 2010.[1][2]" → ""Love the Way You Lie" was released as the second single from the album through Interscope Records, due to the song leaking on to the internet on June 8, 2010.[1][2]"
     Not done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon!
     Done The I in Internet is capital in this instance, though. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:10, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  2. "in the song as in the three verses," → Doesn't make sense. "in the song's verses"
  3. ""['Love the Way You Lie'] showcases a domestic-violence dispute between a liquor-addled couple," as stated by reporter Erik Hayden from web magazine The Atlantic Wire.[3]" → This is confusing because in the previous sentence you say how Jayson from MTV explains the songs lyrical meaning and then this sentence starts off with a quote, then says that someone else commented about it. When talking about a critic and what he said, always start with saying "'Whoever' of 'whatever'", not starting with the quote itself.
    Actually, I think these two commentaries should be in the Critical reception section, as they don't actually bare relation to the background, it's just a reviewers observation. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon!
    Question: I temporarily removed the comments. How about I move them to the Composition section, instead? I already have reviews from MTV in the Critical reception. I want these commentaries to focus on the lyrical meaning, not so much on the critics' personal thoughts on the song. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:59, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes okay. I just don't think the Background section is the right place. Composition would be better. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 12:43, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
     Done
  4. "The song was composed and produced by English hip hop record producer Alex da Kid and while Eminem wrote his own verses, American recording artist Skylar Grey wrote the chorus, as performed by Rihanna.[note 1][5][6]" → I think this should be in the Composition section really.
  5. "Eminem spoke about many collaborations within Recovery" → Who did he speak with?
     Not done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon!
     Done
    "to discuss many collaborations within Recovery," → "to discuss the many high-profile collaborations featured on Recovery, Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 12:27, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "and Rihanna. "And the other one I did with Rihanna is one of those tracks that I felt like only she could pull it off, only she could do it," he said.[8]" → "and Rihanna, saying "And the other one I did with Rihanna is one of those tracks that I felt like only she could pull it off, only she could do it."[8]
  2. "Approximately" → why is this italicised?
    Why is there a semi-colon (;) before this word? Calvin NaNaNaC'mon!
     Fixed
  3. "and liked it as he would go on to doing a sequel to the song." → Awkward wording.
    Change again to "and liked it, which lead to him being featured on a sequel to the song." Calvin NaNaNaC'mon!
     Done
  4. You keep flipping between saying Alex da Kid and Kid. You say Alex da Kid the first in the article, then for every time you mention him after, say da Kid. So you will have to go through his section from the start making those changes.
  5. ""I definitely want to get Rihanna on this," said Eminem." → Why is this quote in a sentence by itself with no explanation about it?
  6. "Eminem's manager, Paul Rosenberg, sent the track to Rihanna, who liked it." → This needs to be re-worded, it's short and reads awkward.
  7. "While Eminem's" → "Whilst Eminem's"
  8. "Em reminds me of one of my friends from back home. It was just so natural. I forgot in two seconds that he was the biggest-selling artist of the decade. He knows what he’s doing. Me and him mixed [the song] together and he’s not like somebody that’s telling somebody what to do. We were both on the board turning knobs. The atmosphere and the vibe down there was just super cool.
  9. Change all but the first instance of 'Kid' to 'da Kid'. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 23:38, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
     Done

—Alex da Kid, on Rap-Up.[10]" → This just looks weird with the "—Alex da Kid, on Rap-Up." This quote should be stylised like how you have done the quote here on the right hand side. Also, it should say "in an interview with Rap Up", not "On Rap-Up".

 Done all. One thing, however. where did you see "Approximately" in italics? It's fine on my browser. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:27, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I mean't capitalised. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 15:36, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed. I thought the semicolon was a period (full stop). —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:38, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Section  Done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 16:43, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Composition

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  1. "heavy bass and aggressive and "dark" themes" → Re-word to remove one of the and's.
    There are still two "and's" which unnecessarily prolongs the sentence. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 17:53, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
     Fixed.
  2. "in terms of Eminem's rapping." → "with regard to Eminem's style of rapping."
  3. "as performed" → Remove 'as'
  4. "and the chorus is played four times" → "and the chorus is sung a total of four times by Rihanna"
  5. "The first verse begins with "I can't tell you what it really is/I can only tell you what it feels like." A heavy bass sound, assisted with an acoustic guitar, is heard for the remainder of the song." WP:OR
    I can't see it so I assume you removed it? Calvin NaNaNaC'mon!
    I looked for sources but couldn't find any. I didn't know you needed sources for things like that; I thought it was like video synopses. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:47, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  6. "MTV's Rodriguez further elaborated on Eminem's vocal performance: "Throughout the song, Eminem's voice builds and becomes flush with a mix of fondness and angered regret from his failed relationship."[2]" Shouldn't this be in the first paragraph after you first mention Rodriguez?

Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 17:15, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done all. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:04, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Section  Done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 12:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Critical reception

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  1. ""Love the Way You Lie" has received very positive reviews since its release as many music critics targeted the troubled relationship theme in the song." → "Upon the release of "Love the Way You Lie", the song met with positive reviews from music critics, many of whom commented on the it's lyrical meaning with regard to a troubled relationship."
  2. "Alex da Kid's production was also well received by Menachem," → "Menachem went on to praise the execution of the song's production," Only mention da Kid if Menchem specifically mentions him and how well he did on the production in his review.
  3. "The song earned four out of five stars from Nick Levine of British entertainment website Digital Spy," → Nick Levine of Digital Spy gave the song four out of a possible five stars,"
  4. "also gave the song a four stars rating out of five," → "also gave the song four stars out of five,"
  5. "complimenting it with a positive review," → Not needed.
  6. "supporting its theme," → What is this referring to? If it's to the previous sentence, then it doesn't make sense, or to the proceeding sentence.
  7. "as one of its four favorite tracks from the album." → Did they give the other three songs?
  8. "giving the song three points out of five" → Source doesn't say points. I think "giving the song a rating of three out of five"
  9. "Bill Lamb from About.com gave a positive review for the song," → You said positive at the start of this section, and haven't included any negatives, so it's unnecessary to say positive now.
  10. "both good qualities of the single." → "as the highlights of the song"
  11. "According to him, Eminem also "proves once again why he is considered a truly legendary performer." → Two things: "Lamb went on to mention that Eminem also" and can you try to paraphrase what he said in your own words instead of directly quoting from him again? Because this section is like a mass of quotes. It would be better if you could paraphrase a few more direct quotes as well to make it flow more and not make it read like "Whoever said Quote", "Also, Whoever said Quote" and "Whoever said Quote".

Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 17:05, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  1.  Done all. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:39, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Section  Done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 17:57, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chart performance

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  1. "Since its release, "Love the Way You Lie" has become Eminem's second most successful single on the charts." → This reads like it is his second successful single ever in every country, is that what you're saying?
  2. "For the week of July 10, 2010," → This was a Saturday, and it reads a bit odd saying "the week of", so why not say "On July 10, 2010," ?
  3. Actually, re-word to this: ""Love the Way You Lie" made its first chart appearanceon the US Billboard Hot 100, debuting at number two on July 10, 2010,"
  4. "a feat only losing to that of the previous single "Not Afraid"" → This doesn't make sense.
  5. "Also in the fourth week, the song rose from number thirteen to number eight on the Billboard Pop Songs chart," → " Also, the song rose from number thirteen to number eight on the Billboard Pop Songs chart in it's fourth week,"
  6. "The song was atop the Digital Songs chart for six consecutive weeks, before falling off the top spot for one week. For the chart week of August 28, 2010, the song regained its number one position again on the chart, selling 254,000 copies for the week.[32]" → Did the song debut at number one? This should be put a few sentences above where you talk about debuting on the Digital Songs chart.
  7. "In its latest week" → In it's latest week? That makes no sense. When is that supposed to be?
  8. "In the week of August 14, 2010" → "On August 14, 2010"
  9. "the song made US digital chart history after selling 300,000 digital copies or more of the single for five consecutive weeks." → I don't understand what you are saying here, does this mean over 300,000 copies every week for 5 consecutive weeks? And it's WP:OR, where is the source for that?
  10. "It also held the "Airplay Gainer" award for five straight weeks." → 1) Reads awkward 2) It's not really an "award" per se. 3) "five straight weeks" → "five consecutive weeks"
  11. "reached number one on the US Radio Songs and Digital Songs charts." → You said this in the first paragraph with regard to the Digital Songs chart, this is repetition.
  12. "It has since climbed to" → This is coming up for a year ago now, and it reads like it is now, as if there are weekly updates.
  13. "It also finally rose to number one on the Rap Songs chart also being the greatest gainer of that week.[41]" → Don't say "finally", reads a bit bias, and why is there no previous mention of the Rap Songs chart? I'm surprised you haven't previously mentioned where it debuted and the date it debuted etc. considering it is a rap song.
  14. "stands at over five million." → "stands at over five million copies sold"
  15. "the song entered the UK Singles Chart on July 4, 2010, at seven and three on the UK R&B Chart." → You say chart, date, date, chart, which reads a bit messy, change to "the song entered the UK Singles Chart and UK R&B Chart on July 4, 2010, at numbers seven and three, respectively."
  16. "It has since climbed" → Again, this was well over a year ago, yet the tense you have written it in reads like the other week.
  17. "Britain despite not having reached the top spot, making it the biggest selling song of 2010 in the United Kingdom." → Don't use Britain, use United Kingdom.
  18. " "Love the Way You Lie" reached number one in Australia for six weeks,[48] Canada for seven weeks,[49] Denmark for seven weeks,[50] Ireland for three non-consecutive weeks,[51] New Zealand for four weeks,[52] Norway for four weeks,[53] Sweden for four weeks,[54] and the US for seven straight weeks." → Not sure what I think of this yet, let me think about it. Also, the "US for seven straight weeks." should be in one of the first two paragraphs, as that is where the US charts are mentioned.
  19. "In addition, the song reached within the top ten on 26 various charts." → "Additionally, the song peaked within the top ten on 26 other charts around the world, including..." Give a few examples. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 15:32, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    You misread that one, I reworded it to make more sense. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:24, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
     Done all.

Section  Done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 18:49, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Music video - Development

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  1. "This is Kahn's third video he directed with Eminem," → ""Love the Way You Lie" became the third video Kahn had directed for Eminem,"
  2. "Joseph Kahn would then go" → Only refer to him as Kahn from henceforth. You only use the full name the first time you mention the person.
  3. "Joseph Kahn would then go on to directing Eminem's fourth single from the album, "Space Bound", which has a similar theme.[63][note 2]" → Is this necessary?
    Yes it is. The two videos have very similar messages, are tracks from the same album, and were both released within a 12 month span. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:41, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    You should explain the theme then. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 18:49, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I did. It's a footnote [note 2] so it doesn't distract readers. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it's more problematic that it isn't in the prose. The fact that I've had to ask about shows that it should be there, otherwise, that sentence has no relevance and should be removed, so explain why you have mentioned Spacebound. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 22:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:28, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  4. "The music video for "Love the Way You Lie" stars actor Dominic Monaghan and actress Megan Fox as a couple in a love-hate relationship while Joseph Kahn spoke about casting the latter in an interview with Vibe magazine." → Quite a long sentence.
  5. This is for the blockquote: At the end of the first paragraph, after "not basing it on Eminem and Rihanna.[67]", put the "Joseph Kahn on the theme of the "Love the Way You Lie" clip and Megan Fox's acting, Vibe[67]" here and re-word to "In an interview with Vibe magazine, Kahn commented on the theme for "Love the Way You Lie" as well as Fox's acting, saying:"
  6. "prompting Joseph Kahn to write" → "prompting Kahn to write"
  7. "According to director Joseph Kahn," → "According to Kahn," You need to stop writing his full name and don't introduced him again after he was introduced in the first line of the first paragraph, it's starts to get a bit annoying.
  8. "big of an impact without Megan Fox.[67]" → big of an impact with Fox"
  9. "During the project, Joseph Kahn" → "During the project, Kahn"
  10. "Dominic Monaghan, who plays the boyfriend," → Monaghan, who plays the boyfriend,"
  11. "The video is about a couple that kiss, fight and make up several times throughout the plot" → Remove this, or factor it into the Synopsis section, because that is in effect what it is in one sentence.
  12. "relationship with Megan Fox" → "relationship with Fox" Only using their surname applies to all.
  13. "is "all right".[70] "Though I tried" → "is "all right",[70] going on to say "Though I tried..."
  14. "Joseph Kahn tweeted on June 24, 2010" → KAHN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  15. "This tweet was followed by a second tweet on the following day" → "The tweet was followed by another the following day"
  16. "Joseph Kahn took to his twitter" → Kahn!!
  17. "He added" → You just put a comma, so it should be "he", not "He"
  18. "Actress Megan Fox" → We know she is an actress and that her name is Megan Fox, you have previously said, refer to her as "Fox" Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 15:53, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
     Done all with reply to #3. Lol, calm down. If you give me a rule, I'll assume it applies for the entire section. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:41, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Lol I was just surprised that you would sometimes use Kahn, Fox, Monaghan, but then use their full names so much more frequently. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 18:50, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Section  Done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 22:30, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Music video - Synopsis

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  1. "The scene is interlaced" → Interlaced? You mean intercut?
  2. Right, for every time Megan Fox is mentioned, only say Fox. For every time Dominic Monaghan is mentioned, only say Monaghan. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 16:11, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done all.

Section  Done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 18:51, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Music video - Reception

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  1. "The music video became an online phenomenon, gaining 6.6 million hits in its first 24 hours on VEVO, and 18 million views after five days, breaking a YouTube record for having the most views in 24 hours.[81][82]" → I'm not sure if we include Youtube or it's viewing statistics, I will check.
    It's not like I'm giving a total view count, which I know is discouraged. This is definitely worth mentioning. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:46, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  2. "Joseph Kahn, director of "Love the Way You Lie", told MTV News" → "Kahn"!
  3. "Although Joseph Kahn said that the video is purely fictional, he understands" → "Although Kahn said that the video is purely fictional, he understood"
  4. "Dominic Monaghan believed the contrary," → "Monaghan believed the contrary,"
  5. "positive comments arose for Megan Fox's and Dominic Monaghan's acting." → "...Fox's and Monaghan's..." Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 16:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done all.

Section  Done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 18:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Live performances and covers

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  1. Unlink Rihanna, it's over linking in the article.
  2. "Eminem and Rihanna performed a duet at the Electronic Entertainment Expo 2010 (E3 2011) in Los Angeles.[92]" → "Eminem and Rihanna performed the song for the first time at the Electronic Entertainment Expo 2010 (E3 2011) in Los Angeles.[92]" Also, where is the date for this?
  3. "Eminem told the crowd," → "Before the song started, Eminem told the crowd,"
  4. Unlink "Not Afraid", it's over linking.
  5. ""Forever". He concluded his performances with "Lose Yourself".[93]" → ""Forever", concluding his appearance with "Lose Yourself".[93]" Don't include a load of very short sentences, especially when the next one was 5 words long and is apart of the previous.
  6. "A screen behind the performers presented the silhouette of a man, taken from the box artwork of the Treyarch-developed shooter game Call of Duty: Black Ops.[94]" → What is the relevance of this? I don't get how this fits in or what it is?
  7. ""Love the Way You Lie" was performed at the T in the Park festival in Scotland," → When was this?
  8. "The performance was also criticized for Rihanna's absence during the show." WP:OR
  9. "Eminem's vocal performance was praised, however, and was referred to as "cuttingly sharp and packing plenty of punch."[97]" → "Critics praised Eminem's vocal performance and was referred to as "cuttingly sharp and packing plenty of punch."[97]"
  10. "plenty of punch."[97] Eamon Sweeney from" → "...plenty of punch,"[97] however, Eamon Sweeney from..."
  11. "when he sang with her" → "when he joined her on stage to perform the song"
  12. "The duo opened the 2010 MTV Video Music Awards by performing the song, which was voted the best of those performed on the show.[99][100][101] Rihanna told fans she would not show up but then later made the appearance.[102]" → "The pair also opened the 2010 MTV Video Music Awards by performing the song, which was voted the performance of the night.[99][100][101] Rihanna had previously told fans she would not be joining Eminem to perform, but in fact did appear to perform the song.[102]" Also, I don't remember it being the opener?
  13. ""They played sides of ladies vs. guys, rewarding the fairer sex," as said by Katie Hasty of HitFix.[108]" → Don't start with a quote, start with "Katie Hast of HitFix..."
  14. Introduce "The Pretty Rechless", who are they? An American band?
  15. "Yomo, a reggaeton singer from Puerto Rico, made a remix of this song while Cher Lloyd from the seventh series of The X Factor performed this song in the final five" WP:OR
  16. "In 2010, Russian-American guitarist Alex Feather Akimov and Rudiger recorded "Love The Way You Lie (Heavy Remix)", receiving more than a million views on YouTube and being recognized by The Billboard.biz (Web Trends).[111][112]" → Again, I don't think we include Youtube viewings on Wikipedia. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 16:34, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
     Done all.

Section  Done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 18:55, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sequel

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Resolved comments

  1. "Eminem and Rihanna recorded an alternate version to "Love the Way You Lie"," → Say when. It was after the release of LTWYL.
  2. "Titled "Love the Way You Lie (Part II)"" → Don't need "titled", it's pretty obvious that that is the name of the song.
  3. "Rihanna said in an interview with MTV that initially" → "In an interview with MTV, Rihanna initially stated that"
  4. "relative to the original" → 'Relative'? Use 'comapared'
  5. "by piano" → "by a piano"
  6. "appears on Rihanna's fifth studio album, Loud, as the final track on the listing." → "appears as the eleventh and final track on Rihanna's fifth studio album, Loud (2010)."
  7. "as part of a short medley." → With ?
  8. "BBC Online felt the song was even better than the original. "Eminem's verse exuding the kind of volatile, simmering menace that got everyone so excited about him in the first place. But it is Rihanna’s vocal – at once commanding, soulful and vulnerable – that anchors the song."[117] " → Is the first sentence from the review?

Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 17:33, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done all save for the last one. Don't get what you're trying to stay. It's an excerpt taken from the review, that's all. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:16, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I mean't as in why are they two separate sentences if they are talking about the same thing, when it would flow so much better and make more sense if the sentence continued. I didn't explain myself properly, I knew what I mean't lol. I think that "than the original, saying "Eminem's verse" Just add the comma. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 18:01, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Done all.

Section  Done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 12:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Awards and nominations

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Resolved comments

  1. "In 2010, the song received six nominations and won four of them." → Not needed, just get to the point.
  2. "a teen awards show presented by Fox Broadcasting Company." → Not needed, don't need to explain the title of the awards show.
  3. "at the 2010 MTV Europe Music Awards, a show that took place in Madrid, Spain in November." → "at the 2010 MTV Europe Music Awards in Madrid, Spain, on November ??"
  4. "an awards show that honors African-American entertainment" → Not needed.
  5. "In 2011, "Love the Way You Lie" was nominated for 17 awards but only won two of them. Its first 2011 award, the award for Best Collaboration, was given at the Barbados Music Awards" → This is just awkward.
  6. "The song was nomiated twice at the French" → "The song was nominated for two awards at the French"
  7. "nominated five times" → "for five awards". When you say "nominated X amount of times", it makes it read like separate occasions.
  8. " the first show in four years." → Not needed.
  9. I don't think this needs to be quite so long. For my Only Girl (In the World) GAN, I was told to either include prose or the table. I recommend just having the table.

Table:

  1. NRJ Music Awards: Why are the sources in the Award column and not in the Ceremony column like all the others? You can have them all in that one.
  2. Billboard Music Awards: Same as above
  3. MTV Video Music Awards: Same as above

Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 13:21, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done It's a shame I had to delete all that prose (not to mention that was your last comment, not your first). But I did it. As for release history, I couldn't find anything about the songs's radio dates. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:48, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry! Didn't think of that. But at least you know that you don't need to explain the title of the award shows on the future. It also highlighted some prose issues that you can take forward with you. I had to delete the prose I had written for Only Girl as well, and to be honest, I do agree the table does look better. It's a lot easier to distinguish between the wins and nominations. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 13:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's okay. I hope there will be more live performances in the future to compensate for all that lost text. I agree that the table looks better too. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:02, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Section  Done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 22:26, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Track listing

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Credits and personnel

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Resolved comments

  1. Are you sure Rihanna co-wrote the song? Because you don't mention it in the Info box, Lead info, Background, or Composition sections. I didn't think she co-wrote the song? Because you have explained who wrote what section, so I don't get what she is mean't to have written. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 13:00, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
     Fixed

Section  Done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 15:07, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Charts and certifications - Weekly charts

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Charts and certifications - Certifications

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Charts and certifications - Year-end charts

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Charts and certifications - Chart precession and succession

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Release history

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Resolved comments

  1. I was really expecting this to be a lot bigger, like US radio adds, digital download dates, more countries etc. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 13:04, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think it was released on iTunes but I'll take a look at Amazon for the international CD single. Finding the radio dates are going to be hell. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:09, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Love the Way You Lie must have been released to iTunes, all songs are. I was just expecting to see a long list lol, it surprised me seeing only two. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 13:11, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Not all singles are. LTWYL was included on Recovery though. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:17, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmm Okay.


Section  Done Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 15:05, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

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  1. You over link a lot, especially on MTV references. Only link them the first time you use them. So for example, #2 is linked, #10 doesn't need to be and all proceeding MTV references.
  2. #12, the work is MTV Buzzworthy, the publisher is MTV Networks
  3. #4, Rap-Up is linked, so #7 and subsequent Rap-Up references don't need to be linked.
  4. Same also applies for all Digital Spy, Billboard and any other references you use more than once. Only link the work and publisher on the first reference it is used in, all subsequent ones should not be linked.
  5. Multiple dead and problematic links Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 16:45, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
     Done all but the last one. That will take some time. Have patience in me. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:45, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Alright, I fixed most. There are three left. One of them works, so I don't know what the issue is and two are completely dead and have no archives or anything. This is going to take a long time. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:40, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    The ones that are dead, you will have to remove from the article, and consequently the prose that supported it. It's that simple. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 18:56, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    You have to take the article through the Checklinks test youself as it's REALLY slow on my pc. If there are any problematic links, tell me which ones and I'll check myslef what's so problematic about them. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:37, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah it's going really slow for me as well. I'll be up for another hour or so, so I will check then. Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 22:44, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
     DoneWP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 23:03, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Overall review

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You have done a really good job with this article, and have worked really hard to improve it and done my points to address near on straight away. I feel confident in passing this article. Well done :). Calvin NaNaNaC'mon! 23:12, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, finally! Thanks. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 23:28, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]