Talk:Louis Plamondon

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Party leader versus party president versus parliamentary leader

Louis Plamondon is not now, nor has he ever been, the leader of the Bloc Quebecois, interim or otherwise. In fact, it doesn't seem as though the party has a leader at present.

Gilles Duceppe was both leader and president of the BQ before the 2011 election (thank you, Internet Archive). Vivian Barbot was chosen as the party's interim president after Duceppe's resignation, and she is still interim president as of this writing (source: the party's website).

Plamondon was chosen as the BQ's interim parliamentary leader on 2 June 2011. This is a parliamentary, and not a party, position. It more-or-less corresponds to the former position of House Leader, which no longer formally exists for the BQ as they are no longer an official parliamentary group. This article, clarifying Plamondon's title, does not indicate that he was chosen as party leader. This article, published in 2010, indicates that BQ House Leader Pierre Paquette had the same official title (in French) that Plamondon holds now.

The BQ website does not indicate that the party has a leader, interim or otherwise, at present. The only logical conclusion is that the position is vacant. In the absence of a formal leader, Barbot is the senior party official.

A few published articles since the 2011 election have described Plamondon as the BQ leader. This is due to confusion over the titles. CJCurrie (talk) 00:34, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: Plamondon's website doesn't say anything about him being party leader. CJCurrie (talk) 00:48, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Does Plamondon count as an official Speaker

As "interim Speaker", does Plamondon formally count as a speaker (i.e. count as the 38th Speaker of the house of commons) or is not officialy speaker and thus the speaker elected on the 3rd become the 38th speaker?

On one hand interim party leaders are not listed as official party leaders, but on the other, interim Premiers, such as Kelvin Goertzen count as "official" premiers (for example Goertzen is the 23rd).

I'm seeking a consensus on this issue for this page and the speaker of the house page . Kw12324 (talk) 03:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He is the official speaker. The HoC can't conduct business without one. "No other business can come before the House until the election has taken place and the new Speaker has taken the Chair."[1] He was listed as "speaker" on hansard for yesterday's sitting.[2], and he's on the list of Speakers for the Library of Parliament already. [3]

As to the number, as far as I can see, I don't actually see speaker *numbers* listed officially anywhere? Library of parliament certainly dosen't. regardless, if they do, per Wikipedia:Verifiability we should just hold off and follow whatever they do. WanukeX (talk) 16:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

By "numbers", I meant that Rota on his page is listed as 37, (and other speakers their number on their respective pages) so I'm wondering whether to put Plamondon as "38". Kw12324 (talk) 17:56, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Kw12324 I think WanukeX has the right idea here. Holding off makes sense. Though I agree with the interpretation posed by experts that there is no such thing as an interim speaker in the context of a death/resignation, there's no reliable secondary source that seems to have shown that Parliament itself has interpreted it that way. Kwkintegrator (talk) 17:39, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What I will say though is that you can probably speak to this by adding a sentence demonstrating a non-consensus on the issue. You could probably also boldly remove the word "interim" from the infobox, seeing as there's nothing strictly supporting the use of the word "interim" either. Kwkintegrator (talk) 17:41, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Late on this one, but the unanimous consent motion appointing him as "Interim Speaker" did explicitly call him that. "the member for Bécancour—Nicolet—Saurel, the Dean of the House, be deemed elected Interim Speaker of the House of Commons until a new Speaker is elected" [4] WanukeX (talk) 17:55, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]