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The Peace of Amboise is also being termed the Edict of Amboise. --Wetman 10:45, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to my notes, Eleanor de Roucy was his 1st wife, married 1555, by whom he had six children. His 2nd wife was Frances de Orleans-Longueville, married 1565, by whom he had another son. I'll have to recheck Le Hete, Les Capetiens. --Michael K. Smith (talk) 01:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

culture

Ainsworth's novel Admirable Crichton has one of the three daughters being captured when Louis fled from Noyers. She was brought up by Catherine de Medici though allowed to remain Huguenot, and was one of Crichton's two love interests in the novel. The novel is on Internet Archive for free. 71.163.117.143 (talk) 14:30, 25 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Article Name

I understand that there is a more famous Conde but the fact his article already gives him the distinguishing name of 'grand conde' in its title, makes me wonder why we still have this (1530-1569) in the article title here, its unsightly. Sovietblobfish (talk) 20:04, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1565 Child?

I think I am descended from him through a 1565 child named Gillaume or Gaspare, anyone know anything about this child? Berymtambta (talk) 21:19, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 January 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved Louis, Prince of Condé (1530–1569) → Louis I, Prince of Condé
Louis, Prince of Condé (1668–1710) → Louis III, Prince of Condé;
Henri, Prince of Condé (1588–1646) → Henri I, Prince of Condé;
Henri, Prince of Condé (1552–1588) → Henri II, Prince of Condé.
As to whether to include "de Bourbon" in the titles, it is not used in Category:Princes of Condé but occasionally is in Category:House of Bourbon-Condé, so I'm inclined to leave it out. No such user (talk) 12:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Louis, Prince of Condé (1530–1569) → Louis I de Bourbon, Prince de Condé – Currently we have these unsightly brackets blotting the name of the article, this is entirely unnecessary as the other louis prince de condé articles simply use numerals to denote which louis they are about, this is a far more logical solution, one can only imagine how ridiculous it would be for wikipedia to name louis xiv 'louis, king of france (1638-1715)' as for the other components of the title I am proposing, de bourbon is his family name so it should feature in the title, I would regrettably settle for louis I, prince of condé if my proposal is intolerable in these regards Sovietblobfish (talk) 22:41, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom Marcelus (talk) 22:42, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. But "the other louis prince de condé articles simply use numerals to denote which louis they are about" simply isn't true, as a look at Category:Princes of Condé will show. I'm not opposed to a move (as I agree that dates like this are unsightly), but is Louis I de Bourbon his common name? -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Necrothesp yes he was most commonly called Louis de Bourbon, prince de Condé and nicknamed Le Grand Marcelus (talk) 15:23, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Marcelus, Le Grand is a different Condé, you're thinking of Louis II Sovietblobfish (talk) 17:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Sovietblobfish no, both were called Le Grand, see here Marcelus (talk) 18:47, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully this is a book from 1825. I have read around 40 books that discuss this man in their coverage of the French Wars of Religion that were written after this point in both English and French and none of them mention this nickname. Perhaps it is the proclivity of this genealogist? Or perhaps it was used back then but fell out fashion. I cannot say which. Sovietblobfish (talk) 18:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The numeral is not commonly used for him, however no one uses brackets to refer to him in textbooks either. I apologise for the mistaken assertion, it appears the other articles use numerals for their infoboxes not the article titles themselves.

We can either differentiate via numerals or we can differentiate via bracketed lifespans. Numerals is a method that is commonly used for holders of an aristocratic title with the same name. Sovietblobfish (talk) 17:12, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I was about to close this, but it turned out not to be straightforward. A couple of questions for the participants :
- I suppose the title should read "Prince of Condé" rather than "Prince de Condé", to match Princes of Condé?
- Do we need that "Bourbon" in the title? No other article in Category:Princes of Condé has it.
- For consistency, along with Louis, Prince of Condé (1530–1569) we should also move Louis, Prince of Condé (1668–1710); Henri, Prince of Condé (1588–1646); Henri, Prince of Condé (1552–1588) – presumably to Louis I, Prince of Condé; Louis III, Prince of Condé; Henri I, Prince of Condé; and Henri II, Prince of Condé respectively. Does everyone agree? No such user (talk) 08:20, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@No such user you should look up Category:House of Bourbon-Condé, many articles do have "de Bourbon" part, and you are right about the ""Prince of Condé" thing, I didn't notice that Marcelus (talk) 08:32, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree with this. Sovietblobfish (talk) 17:02, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I should point out that we usually prefer date of birth only (or date of death if DOB is not known for sure) to full dates for disambiguation purposes. For example, Louis, Prince of Condé (born 1530). -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:35, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's fair, however we can avoid needing any bracketing through the use of numerals. Sovietblobfish (talk) 17:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.