Talk:Lotus position/GA2
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Reviewer: AhmadLX (talk · contribs) 16:02, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
Glad to review another of your nominations. AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 16:02, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
- Many thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk)#
Misc.
- "The sacred lotus symbolises growth towards perfection and enlightenment". This is a partisan comment, even if referenced:
sacred lotus → lotus, considered sacred, ...
symbolises growth towards perfection and enlightenment → +is considered by [whoever it is] to...
- "Sacred lotus" is the name of the plant. Said "is used as a symbol of", which is certainly purely descriptive. I think we have this quite neutral now.
- It still sounds as if it were a universal symbol, which I doubt. You can check, for example, "D. T. Devendra, Lotus without Symbolism"
- Added 'sometimes'.
- It still sounds as if it were a universal symbol, which I doubt. You can check, for example, "D. T. Devendra, Lotus without Symbolism"
- "Sacred lotus" is the name of the plant. Said "is used as a symbol of", which is certainly purely descriptive. I think we have this quite neutral now.
- Section "Etymology and origins" should be changed to "Etymology and history" for it doesn't give any concrete origins info and 2nd para is more like history.
- Done.
- "shines as a beautiful flower" is quite subjective.
- Copyedited.
- What are "nadi channels"? Nadi is linked to a Fijian town.
- Good catch. Linked to Nadi (yoga). Channels for vital fluids in the subtle body.
- Para 3 in "Effects" should be the the 1st para. Now, we have para 1 on adverse effects, then para 2 on claimed benefits and then para 3 on adverse effects (again).
- Done.
- Broadness OK. Mentioning this for the record because this issue was raised in the previous review. Complete coverage is not a GA requirement. The coverage here is good enough for GA standards.
- Noted, thanks.
- Who is Thomas Tweed? Should be introduced.
- Done.
- asana & Āsana. Please standardize.
- Using "asana" throughout except when explaining the Sanskrit.
Sources & verifiability
- Temple 2007: specific page number needed
- Accessed online, chapter but no page numbers. Replaced ref.
- Iyengar 1991: There appear to be several works by the same author with intitials "Light on Yoga". Please specify which one is used here.
- Iyengar wrote only one book of this name, in 1966; I have cited the 1991 Unwin paperback edition in Lotus position#Sources, and wikilinked it.
- Hua, Hsuan (2004): Vajra posture is in p. 36.
- Fixed.
- Could you please provide here the quote supporting "The pose is ancient, being one of the first asanas to be named, for example in the 8th century Patanjalayogashastravivarana"? I looked into the book and although it does mention lotus and Patanjalayogashastravivarana, I could not find that it is one of the first asanas to be named. If you've to say: Patanjalayogashastravivarana is ancient+it does mention lotus=one of the first asanas to be named, then it is, in my opinion, OR.
- Um, you've misread what I've written. The claim is that it is an extremely early asana, aka one of the first ever to be described, because it is contained in the 8th century Patanjalayogashastravivarana. That claim would be true if the asana were mentioned in the closing words of that text. Hope that's clear.
- Okay, I've modified it a bit to reflect what you've said above. Please check if it is correct.
- Copy-edited.
- Okay, I've modified it a bit to reflect what you've said above. Please check if it is correct.
- Um, you've misread what I've written. The claim is that it is an extremely early asana, aka one of the first ever to be described, because it is contained in the 8th century Patanjalayogashastravivarana. That claim would be true if the asana were mentioned in the closing words of that text. Hope that's clear.
- "In Buddhism, statues of the founder, Siddharta Gautama, often depict him seated in lotus position and enthroned on a lotus flower." This is supported by two images depicting Buddha. This is original research. We need a published source here that states to this effect.
- Said "sometimes", certainly true.
- My objection is not against "often". I have problem with the fact that a claim is being supported by use of images, which makes it your own research because you have a few images (there could be many) which depict him in this position and based on these you are deriving a conclusion. A source which says that he is often/sometimes depicted this way is to be added; like you have one for Shiva. If no other source is found, Shiva source can be used as it mentions Buddha too. These image sources should be removed.
- Ref provided.
- My objection is not against "often". I have problem with the fact that a claim is being supported by use of images, which makes it your own research because you have a few images (there could be many) which depict him in this position and based on these you are deriving a conclusion. A source which says that he is often/sometimes depicted this way is to be added; like you have one for Shiva. If no other source is found, Shiva source can be used as it mentions Buddha too. These image sources should be removed.
- Said "sometimes", certainly true.
- "Tirthankara is often represented seated in Lotus posture" is not supported by Zimmer, Heinrich (1953) pp. 209-210. It says "yoga", but not lotus.
- Another ref provided, with full quotation. It confirms that lotus is the only seated position shown for Tirthankaras.
- Thanks. What about changing Zimmer page to p.220?
- Added.
- I was asking about changing Zimmer pp. 209-210 to p 220. Anyway, is up to you.
- Done.
- I was asking about changing Zimmer pp. 209-210 to p 220. Anyway, is up to you.
- Added.
- Thanks. What about changing Zimmer page to p.220?
- Another ref provided, with full quotation. It confirms that lotus is the only seated position shown for Tirthankaras.
- Although not a GA requirement, it will be a good idea to add doi to Tweed, Thomas A. (2008).
- Done. This isn't usual for journal papers.
- Fleming, Ian (1964). Page number instead of chapter. Also, please link to google books instead of wikiliver site.
- Done.
Images
- File:Bharadwaja (detail).jpg needs US PD tag.
- Done.
- File:Monkey gives honey to Buddha... & File:Sivakempfort.jpg need tag for original work (see eg. File:Mahavir.jpg)
- Sivakempfort added FoP-India. Monkey gives honey to Buddha is in Sweden where that doesn't apply.
Meets the GA criteria and is thus a Pass. AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 15:18, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
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