Talk:Lotte Brand Philip

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Did you know... that Albrecht Dürer's paintings of his parents were reunited in 2012 after art historian Lotte Brand Philip identified the portrait of his mother, thought lost since the 17th century?

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"1829 painting"

- ie nearly 300 years after the beeldenstorm. Was this purely speculation, or based on some earlier record? Needs clarifying. Johnbod (talk) 15:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hm yes I see that I didn't do a great job of explaining that. Swan says that de Noter's painting showed part of the framework that was apparently still extant at the time of his painting:

"The photograph was of a picture, now in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam, painted by Pierre François de Noter in 1829, when the Gothic revival was just beginning on the Continent. It showed the Vijd Chapel in St. Bavo's Cathedral as De Noter believed it had looked in the early sixteenth century. In the process of trying to visualize the chapel as it had looked then, De Noter had not added anything except for three figures dressed in period costume; he had merely omitted all the objects in the chapel that struck him as not being "Gothic." Thus, he faithfully showed above the painted panels of the Ghent Altarpiece a large stone canopy—the sole portion of Hubert's sculptural framework to survive the onslaught of the iconoclasts and the subsequent ravages of time."

Her paper on the subject is in German, so this is all I have to go by until I can get my hands on her book. Thanks for pointing this out; I will clarify. Lotte and her festschrift editors—William W. Clark, Colin Eisler, Barbara G. Lane, and William S. Heckscher—are my first foray into art articles here, along with helping flesh out Portrait Diptych of Dürer's Parents, so I would appreciate any help you can offer. Thanks. Maralia (talk) 18:47, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

C, I appreciate you trying to fix this for me, but one of your edits runs contrary to how I interpreted the source. We are told that de Noter drew what he saw in 1829 ("had not added anything"), therefore we are to understand that the canopy still existed at the time. Lotte's speculation is that the then-extant canopy was what remained of her imagined framework. Can you give it another read and let me know what you think? Maralia (talk) 17:01, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Will do Maralia. I edited as I saw it, but I supposed was following my own hunch. Ceoil (talk) 18:04, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well certainly as yet we don't know how well-supported her claims are. I only wanted to clarify what LBP herself asserted (according to Swan). Whether it is true/supported by others is another matter entirely, and I hope you will help me find out. Maralia (talk) 19:14, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]