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Edit Request - History

This edit request by an editor with a partial block from editing this page has now been answered.

Under the History section, for the sentence: "The Los Laureles Lodge got its beginnings as part of Rancho Los Laureles,[citation needed] the 6,625-acre (26.81 km2) Mexican land grant in present-day Monterey County, California given in 1839 by Governor Juan Alvarado to José Manuel Boronda and Vicente Blas Martínez. Rancho Los Laureles passed through several owners before being sold to Nathan Weston Spaulding(1829–1903) in 1874.[failed verification]."
Please rewrite the sentence with the following citation:
- "The Los Laureles Lodge was built by Nathan Weston Spaulding (1829–1903) after he purchased the 6,625-acre (26.81 km²) Rancho Los Laureles in 1860.^[1]

References

^ Hale, Sharron Lee (1980). A Tribute to Yesterday: The History of Carmel, Carmel Valley, Big Sur, Point Lobos, Carmelite Monastery, and Los Burros. Santa Cruz, California: Valley Publishers. p. 111. ISBN 9780913548738. Retrieved 2022-03-18.

Greg Henderson (talk) 15:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done — Antrotherkus ^{Talk to me!} 20:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request - Pacific Improvement Company

This edit request by an editor with a partial block from editing this page has now been answered.

Under the Pacific Improvement Company section, for the sentence: "In 1882, Spaulding sold Rancho Los Laureles to the Pacific Improvement Company (PIC). The Hotel Del Monte in Monterey, built in 1879, wanted the water rights from the Carmel River that ran through Rancho Los Laureles as well as a game preserve for their hotel guests.[failed verification]"
Please rewrite the sentence with the following citation:
- "In 1882, the Pacific Improvement Company (PIC) acquired Rancho Los Laureles and expanded the property by adding multiple cottages and enlarging the main ranch house at Los Laureles. The ranch house was utilized by PIC to accommodate guests of the Hotel Del Monte in Monterey seeking a rural atmosphere, along with opportunities for fishing and hunting for the hotel quests."^[1]

References

^ Hale, Sharron Lee (1980). A Tribute to Yesterday: The History of Carmel, Carmel Valley, Big Sur, Point Lobos, Carmelite Monastery, and Los Burros. Santa Cruz, California: Valley Publishers. p. 111. ISBN 9780913548738. Retrieved 2022-03-18.

Greg Henderson (talk) 16:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This sound too hagiographic, as usual. Graywalls (talk) 23:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Melcous and Netherzone:, I can't specifically remember, but isn't "A Tribute to Yesterday: The History of Carmel, Carmel Valley, Big Sur, Point Lobos, Carmelite Monastery, and Los Burros" one of the sources for which one of you had some kind of sourcing related concerns? Graywalls (talk) 03:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Graywalls, I can't remember, there have been so many problems with sourcing on these articles, it's hard to keep track. I just reviewed (declined) a new draft and this draft, filled with citation errors. If another editor had reviewed it without actually checking the sources which is part of the process, it could have made it to main space because it "looked good" on the surface. Then there would be another flock of edit requests to deal with. Netherzone (talk) 18:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

The book A Tribute to Yesterday is a reliable source. I have not heard anyone dispute it.
The comment "too hagiographic" does not help. What specially needs to change inorder for the edit request to be successful?
The rest of the comments by Netherzone have nothing to do with this edit request. It is talking about a different article than Los Laureles Lodge.
This edit request is still OPEN. Please review and accept/reject.

Greg Henderson (talk) 00:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding edit request response times, Please be patient: it can take anywhere from a day to several months for an edit request to be acted upon. If you want more editors willing to respond to your request, try heeding advice on how to properly make the requests..

Please be patient with the volunteer team, currently there is a backlog of 116 COI edit requests, 45 semi-protected edit requests, 7 partial block request, and 39 extended requests. That is over 200 requests in the queue. Volunteers do not have to fulfill requests on your timeline. There currently is not a consensus to fulfill this one. Netherzone (talk) 00:39, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greghenderson2006, I don't have the time or inclination to go through all of the relevant issues, but addressing just the first bullet point: A vague evidence-less assertion from one individual editor that the book is reliable does nothing to establish reliability, and the claim that you have not heard anyone dispute it similarly does nothing to establish reliability. If the reliability of a source has been challenged or questioned in good faith for any reason, then the WP:BURDEN is 100% on you to prove its compliance with WP:V policy and WP:RS criteria by furnishing concrete evidence, or else the edit request can and should be declined on procedural grounds. Left guide (talk) 02:14, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Left guide, thanks for your comments. Here are a few WP:BURDEN cases that show compliance with WP guidelines:

The book A Tribute to Yesterday is represented with Worldcat: here
The book was a featured article in the Santa Cruz Sentinel here.
The city of Carmel has recognized the book in its Historical Context Statement Carmel-by-the-Sea, by citing the book for several key passages.
The book is cited in several key Wikipedia articles, including Juan B. R. Cooper, Rancho El Sur, and others.
The book is nationally available on Amazon, AbeBooks, as well as Internet Archive.

Greg Henderson (talk) 17:18, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done — Antrotherkus ^{Talk to me!} 20:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Antrotherkus, please read the discussion above. There is not consensus at this time to make this change. Please be more careful when answering edit requests. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 01:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request - Fix citations

This edit request by an editor with a partial block was declined.

Please update the following two sentences under the History section for (a) citation needed, and (b) failed verification: "The Los Laureles Lodge got its beginnings as part of Rancho Los Laureles,[citation needed] the 6,625-acre (26.81 km2) Mexican land grant in present-day Monterey County, California given in 1839 by Governor Juan Alvarado to José Manuel Boronda and Vicente Blas Martínez. Rancho Los Laureles passed through several owners before being sold to Nathan Weston Spaulding (1829–1903) in 1874.[failed verification]"
Here is the NEW text and supporting citations as requested: "The Los Laureles Lodge got its beginnings as once part of Rancho Los Laureles,^[1]^: p196 the 6,624-acre (26.81 km2) Mexican land grant in present-day Monterey County, California given in 1839 by Governor Juan Alvarado to José Manuel Boronda and Vicente Blas Martínez. Rancho Los Laureles passed through several owners before being sold to Nathan Weston Spaulding (1829–1903) in 1860.^[2]^{: 110–111}

Note: citations for these two sources are already in the main body of the article. I've just added there reference with page numbers.

References

^ Fink, Augusta (2000). Monterey County: The Dramatic Story of its Past. San Francisco: Western Tanager Press/Valley Publishers. pp. 196, 201–202. ISBN 9780913548622. Retrieved 2020-07-19.
^ Hale, Sharron Lee (1980). A Tribute to Yesterday: The History of Carmel, Carmel Valley, Big Sur, Point Lobos, Carmelite Monastery, and Los Burros. Santa Cruz, California: Valley Publishers. pp. 105–106. ISBN 9780913548738. Retrieved 2022-03-18.

Greg Henderson (talk) 21:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done @Greghenderson2006, what are the citations? I know you said that it's already in the article, but you didn't list what citations. Could I get a last name or a title of the sources and not just a number as the number can change at anytime? Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 18:28, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cowboygilbert: Thanks for your comment. I've added the full citations to the above edit request so that you have the information about these sources. Greg Henderson (talk) 18:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moot

– since the article was redirected for failing WP:NBUILDING. Left guide (talk) 23:05, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the notification. I noticed that Greg was site blocked, which is sad in itself but the community decides. I wish I had participated in the discussion, I don’t follow most ANI discussions but I have worked with Greg before.

Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 01:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Hale-1] Hale, Sharron Lee (1980). A Tribute to Yesterday: The History of Carmel, Carmel Valley, Big Sur, Point Lobos, Carmelite Monastery, and Los Burros. Santa Cruz, California: Valley Publishers. p. 111. ISBN 9780913548738. Retrieved 2022-03-18.

[Hale-2] Hale, Sharron Lee (1980). A Tribute to Yesterday: The History of Carmel, Carmel Valley, Big Sur, Point Lobos, Carmelite Monastery, and Los Burros. Santa Cruz, California: Valley Publishers. p. 111. ISBN 9780913548738. Retrieved 2022-03-18.

[“Fink”-3] Fink, Augusta (2000). Monterey County: The Dramatic Story of its Past. San Francisco: Western Tanager Press/Valley Publishers. pp. 196, 201–202. ISBN 9780913548622. Retrieved 2020-07-19.

[Hale-4] Hale, Sharron Lee (1980). A Tribute to Yesterday: The History of Carmel, Carmel Valley, Big Sur, Point Lobos, Carmelite Monastery, and Los Burros. Santa Cruz, California: Valley Publishers. pp. 105–106. ISBN 9780913548738. Retrieved 2022-03-18.

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