Talk:Lord & Taylor/Archives/2019

Upmarket

Lord & Taylor is definitely not "upmarket to" Neiman Marcus (or probably even Nordstrom/Bloomie's). The statement is unsourced so I removed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.238.152.3 (talk) 13:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

There are many incorrect dates in the first paragraph of the Origins section of this article. I can only assume they are all 100 years off. For example, Lord and Taylor was found in 1826, not 1926, as the article states.skyvue (talk) 02:19, 22 November 2011 (UTC)Brett Leveridge

References

Store closings

@Fountainroots: Do not just removed sourced information that you think is not true, because in situations like this you are wrong. [1] Monmouth store closing. [2] Annapolis closing. [3] Oakbrook closing. [4] Old Orchard closing. [5] Eatontown closing. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 14:14, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Also, @Fountainroots: Please avoid adding misleading citations that are not supporting the statement they are cited for. It is disappointing that you chose to delete my earlier comment about this instead of addressing the concern. Regards, HaeB (talk) 06:26, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@HaeB: Most of those store closures happened or were announced before the up to 10 stores announcement which would be somewhat significant (20% of the chain) but in a year has yet to happen. In this case WP:CRYSTALBALL does apply here. Fountainroots (talk) 17:46, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Also, @HaeB: that was my mistake as I thought I had already addressed you earlier. The article from 2016 does support the statement I wrote as it states that the 2018 event was followed by previous events as the 2016 article from announced. Fountainroots (talk) 17:54, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

The only store closure announced was the Monmouth Mall (which is actually also the Eatontown location) and that mall is being redeveloped. So far a year later no stores are closing for those reasons the 10 stores would close. Fountainroots (talk) 18:42, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Whether or not the 10 store closures has happened yet is irrelevant. They didn't say it would happen by the end of 2018, in fact the source states through 2019, so the announcements still could be coming [6]. It also states up to 10 stores, not exactly 10, so wait until all the pieces fall, and it could be adjusted accordingly. There is nothing wrong with leaving the 10 store comment, and later clarifying by saying "however by the end of 2019 only 7 were closed" or something like that. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 18:45, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

There have been none made so far and it does not seem likely any will. Through 2019 meaning no later. The announcement of up to 10 is speculative until a significant number of stores announced close. Fountainroots (talk) 19:01, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

It is not speculative when the company itself announced it. I already gave you several examples above. Unless you have some inside information, you cannot say that it seems like none will. If you do not have that information your conclusion is WP:OR if you have it and are editing based on inside information you are violating WP:COI. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 19:05, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

It is if an exact number has not been given. The examples you listed above are unrelated to the announcement. It is fair to say a year later in 2019 none have been made. It is likely none will. Fountainroots (talk) 19:12, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Up to 10 is the number given. Claiming nothing will is WP:OR. There is a lot of legal issues involved in closing stores, that likely these are items lawyers are working on. It is highly unlikely that a publicly traded company would say they plan to close stores and then not close any. There might be leases that need to be terminated, land that needs to be sold, transition plans put into place. Lots of stuff goes into these decisions, and it takes time. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 19:28, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Also June 2018 they announced up to 10, which includes the NYC flagship store. That store did close. Monmouth was announced 3 months later [7], and Eaton closed 7 months later [8]. These are the ones I found, no idea if there are more out there. So what is your source that none have, when I have provided evidence that 3 have. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 19:31, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Up to 10 means 0 could close, that is speculative. Stores speculate store closures often actually and you are correct they do take time which is why it seems unlikely none will in 2019 as they take several months to liquidate and are often announced after Christmas. There have been none made related to the announcement. The 5th Avenue announcement was separate. Monmouth Mall is being redeveloped and Eatontown is the same location as Monmouth Mall. Fountainroots (talk) 19:37, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

The title of the articles referenced in the article that you are removing specifically states that the 10 is inclusive of the NYC, so it cannot be zero since that already closed. What is your point about the mall being redeveloped? Does that not count as a store closure? Are they planning on reopening? - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 19:55, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Based on this [9] it will not be reopening. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 19:57, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes it is 0 they had already announced the 5th Avenue store. The Monmouth Mall is being redeveloped with offices and apartments replacing stores. Fountainroots (talk) 20:38, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

They did not say they were closing 10 additional, they said including 5th ave location. So it is absolutely not 0, since that has closed. What is your point about it being redeveloped with offices and apartments? Does that disqualify it as closing? Other stores appear to be staying. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 21:03, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

It is not included in the announcement because the redevelopment is the reason and was announced in 2017. Since they already announced 5th Avenue closing the announcement of up to 9 additional closing is seperate and none have. Fountainroots (talk) 21:23, 24 April 2019 (UTC)