Talk:Loose Women/Archive 1

Criticism

The criticism section for this article seems a bit odd. Some of the comments about men perhaps might be construed as offensive if you have a thin skin, but even so, why teletext viewers in particular? Douglasnicol 18:39, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree it should be removed unless a reputable source can be found. criticism from viewers on teletext doesnt count and cant be verified.Gungadin 19:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

It can be verified if you do it correctly. --86.45.194.207 (talk) 22:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

The show has been repeatedly critisised as being sexist where they spend significant time objectifying men and critising them. Look at the following link for your evidence.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/organgrinder/2008/jun/06/isloosewomenhateful

Wickerkid (talk) 22:16, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

You're saying repeatedly, but you're only giving one lightweight example. That's not enough to bother with, especially not in the lead. Please read about WP:due weight. If you go looking for more, you should also probably make sure you're familiar with WP:RS guidelines. Blogs and reddit-posts are not usable for this kind of thing. Grayfell (talk) 01:34, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

The Guardian article itself is not even an example. It starts, "ITV1's daytime chat show Loose Women has been running for a decade but in today's G2, Bridget Orr explains why she finds it 'offensive' and 'hateful'," and then gives a few quotes from Orr's op-ed but does not take a position either way on her opinion. Orr wrote the op-ed during her week in June 2008 as guest editor of the Guardian's Women's pages, about which she writes at her Linked-In page, "As part of my Mary Stott Prize, I spent a week on the Women's desk at the Guardian where I researched and produced copy to be published to tight deadlines." Vaughan Pratt (talk) 19:17, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Air date

Can someone provide a source to confirm that this originally aired in 1996. All other sources on the net seem to suggest that this programme first aired in 1999. This is what I remember also. Nadia Sawalha was one of the original presenters, and she didn't finish EastEnders until 1999. Gungadin 19:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Lead host

Can we come to a consensus about the lead host. It seems some people get peeved if Kaye Adams name is removed, but it's almost farcical to still refer to her as the lead host when she hasn't been on the show for so long. Douglasnicol 18:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. She's a former presenter until she returns. the "current panalists" should include only the ones who are currently presenting. Kaye Adams isnt a current presenter. If she comes back she can be reincluded in the current list.Gungadin 18:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

There hasn't even been a permanent lead host, since it's rotated among a few people, mostly Andrea McLean and Jackie Brambles, though we've also had Carol doing it now and then. I'm actually wondering if Kaye Adams will be back. Douglasnicol 20:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

And yet again Kaye Adams is being put in as the main host. Provide some proof that she is coming back, and even then, it's inaccurate to say that she has been presenting it continuously. Douglasnicol 18:04, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Has someone got an obsession with having Kaye Adams name listed as the leading host? She hasn't been for quite some time, and if, as the article says, she's undecided at coming back and considering she hasn't been the main host for quite a while its misleading to still have her listed as such. Douglasnicol 21:52, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I think there is no "official" Lead Host at the moment, and as far as i'm aware there has been no "official" announcement as to Kaye Adams defenite departure. Therefore McLean and Brambles are still guest hosts, I agree that Adams shouldn't be listed as a current panellist so I've made a new "returning" section with Adams' name under it, with a short explanation that she is expected to return but it is not 100% sure. I also remind you that there has been no announcement, which states that McLean and Brambles are taking over the role for certain and that Kaye Adams is definetly not returning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.220.176 (talk • contribs)

Does someone here have some sort of obsession with having Kaye Adams name as the leading host. It's been nearly a year since she was last present, and it is misleading to still have her listed. Her picture in the studio is down, and if she is unsure as to whether she is coming back it is not correct to list her as the leading host. Douglasnicol 18:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Kaye has now confirmed that she is not returning. I've altered the article to say this and have provided a source on the page. There's no need to reinclude the 'returning' section again.Gungadin 20:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Kaye Adams' departure

Kaye Adams has confirmed it herself, she is leaving Loose Women after 7 years as the leading host, appearing ever since the very first episode in 1999. I'm sure we can now put this debate to rest and concur that Adams is a defenite past panellist (although she did say she was taking "a break") but I do think it's a shame, although Brambles and McLean are good, Adams had that spark, she was more confident, more loud and could easily fight the likes of Carol McGiffin who seems to have a last say now on the panel, I expect an announcement will be made as to who the new defenite Leading Host(s) will be soon and that Adams' departure will be officialy confirmed on a later show.

Leading Host: Kaye Adams (1999-2006).—Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Ms.raymond (talk • contribs)

New leading host section

If you go on Kaye Adams' page or Jackie Brambles' you will see at the bottom a little box with the previous host and the next host, check it out for yourself! User:Ms.raymond 21:30, 13 August (UTC)

Are you referring to the removal of the succession box you included in this article? I removed it because it wasn't put in correctly (see here[1]) Feel free to fix the box and reinclude it. btw, you may not know this, but new discussions should be placed at the bottom of the talk page, not at the top or in the middle of two separate discussions (as your previous posts on this page have been). I've moved this one from the top to the bottom. It's fine to add replies to discussions no matter where they are, but if you begin a new discussion topic with a new header, then it should be placed at the bottom :) Gungadin 23:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

No on their actual individual pages, go on Jackie Brambles' page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ms.raymond (talk • contribs) 20:37, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

On the topic of hosts, why is Jackie Brambles described a "leading host" and Andrea McLean as "Main host"? What's the difference? Are they actually credited as leading/main by the show, or are these just titles that have been given to them on this site? I dont watch the programme a great deal, but from what i've seen they both alternate at being the leading host.Gungadin 23:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Jackie Brambles is the Leading Host as she does 3 shows a week the majority and she has been there since series 7 - 2005. Andrea McLean is the main host as she does 2 shows a week the minority and she has been there since series 11 - 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.14.25.79 (talk) 17:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

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Ladies

The article uses the term "ladies" in several places. Isn't this term a bit old fashioned or quaint? I think "women" is the more normative term in the present age. I am over 50 and even I think it is odd though I've been out ot the UK for a while.--Tom (talk) 23:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

They refer to themselves as "ladies" when talking to each other. Digifiend (talk) 14:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Can't the article be edited to replace the term "ladies" with "panalists" or "co-hosts" please? The grammar in this article is also quite appalling... --86.22.157.47 (talk) 11:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I can't imagine anyone would object to panelists being used instead of ladies. Unfortunately, it is regularly vandalised by an anonymous IP account. I think it's the same person each time but they mess up tables continuously, add POV and inappropriate language, add editior commentary etc, so this page has been protected from anoymous editing. So, if no one else can be bothered to change it, my advice to you is to make an account with wikipedia and edit the page yourself.GunGagdin^Moan 12:12, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Recorded v. live

Under "The Show" the table says the Friday show is live but in the text it says Friday's show is recorded on Thursday at 5.30! In fact the whole thing doesn't make sense. Saintmesmin (talk) 10:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree, and it was all unsourced. I have removed the recording and live status until someone can back it up with a source, and changed the wording in the text.GG^Moan 15:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

there is a link on itv's loose women site, under 'contact us', for tickets to the show. it links to clappers where you will find the times the shows are recorded. mon, tue, thurs live at 12.30pm, and according to the site, mon and thurs at 5.30pm recorded. however, this used to be tue and thurs, so not sure if this is a mistake on the site. as they record live on tuesday, why record on monday night?! anyways, can this site be used as a reference for the recordings? 77.101.18.129 (talk) 18:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I dont see why that cant be used as a reference.GunGagdin^Moan 17:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the lighting problems under 'technical problems', as a production member on the show I can confirm that both shows were live. The problem was due to DMX communication problems between a new lighting control desk and the lighting dimmer bank.

I can confirm that Mon, Tues and Thurs are live. Weds show is recorded on the Tues at about 5pm, and Fridays in recorded on the Thurs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daneaston (talk • contribs) 22:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not even convinced that the Technical problems regarding the lighting is notable enough for inclusion in here. Did it make the press? If not then it probablt isnt relevant enough to add in here. Most live shows have technical problems at some stage.GunGagdin^Moan 22:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Carol McGiffin started on Live Talk 2000-2001, but left to look after her dying mother, and returned to LW in 2003

As confirmed by [2] So don't change it. Happy editing, Dalejenkins | 18:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

The Loose Women Team is incorrect, here is the correct data someone please replace it.

Leading Host: Jackie Brambles - 2005, 2006- Main Host: Andrea McLean - 2007-

Regular Panellists Coleen Nolan: 2000, 2004- Carol McGiffin: 2003- Sherrie Hewson: 2003- Jane McDonald: 2004- Denise Welch: 2005- Lynda Bellingham: 2007-

Reocurring Panelists: Zoe Tyler: 2007-

Panellist that have left: Jo Bunting: (2006-2008) Gillian Taylforth: (2000, 2006, 2008) Sinitta (2008)

So remove them !!! E.P LW Blogger 29/9/8 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.18.156 (talk) 17:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I was off work today, and if im not mistaken I distinctly saw Kathy Beale off EE (aka Gillian Taylforth) presenting Loose Women. So, you dont strike me as reliable. I'm actually tempted to get rid of the current panelist table completely and just keep the main box of all panelists, because it gives the same information, and isnt dependent on the various panel changes that go on throughout the year. Someone thinks we're TV times and feels compelled to change that table everytime a Loose Woman is off for a day or two! Not to mention the various crap that keeps getting added into the table, possibly by you. And what, may I ask, is the differnce between a "Leading Host" and "Main Host"? Titles you just made up?GunGagdin^Moan 22:38, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The information was correct of the time of date!!! I kept the information correct on this page for years!! You obviously no nothing about this programme. Jackie is a leading host because she was kaye's original maternity cover, and generally does 3 shows a week, more than Andrea!!! Andrea is a main host because she was jackies maternity cover well into series 11!!, and she generally does 2 shows!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.172.214 (talk) 16:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

"The information was correct of the time of date". You state on 30 September that Gillian Taylforth is no longer a panelist. Then, literally two days later, she pops up on-screen as a panelist! This is exactly my point. People like you are so desperate to continuously alter the panelist information on this page on a daily basis, and let's face it, you don't know what you're talking about. One person might not be on for a week or so, but it doesnt mean they wont be back. We are not TV times. We do not need to report every time Denise is having two weeks off to film for BBC, we do not need to say Carol has gone on holiday for a week just to change it back when she returns, and we do not need to include made up titles such as "leading host" and "main host". Are they actually called that in the credits? Calling others recurring panelists is also wrong, because they are not called that by the show, so why should we?

You're right, I dont know a great deal about this show, just what I see, but that's irrelevant because what we see means nothing, everything should be backed by sources, or it should not be included per wiki rules. The same could be said about the panelists. The official website lists only these people as panelists [3], so if we were going to get strict about it, only they should be listed as "current panelists". --GunGagdin^Moan 18:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Can we discuss the loose women series, in 2002. Panelists, Anchors, Set and guests. I have found proof that claire sweeney and fiona phillips, are in the panel off 2002. As there is a photo on claires unofficial website —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.137.116 (talk) 13:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

What do you want to discuss about it? The table at the bottom has them, Sweeney and Phillips, "on" for 2002, anyway.GunGagdin^Moan 22:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Well there has to be more than two panelists, and Kaye, Nadia, Ruth and Jane were all on maternity leave. Imdb says Gabby logan, linda lusardi,rebecca wheatley and amanda platell were panellists but there not allways right and there is no visual proof. Like there is for claire sweeney and fiona phillips. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Looselover91 (talk • contribs) 20:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

The show is formally known as 'Loose Women', not 'live talk' or 'loose @ 5.30'

Could somebody please correct this issue, the name 'loose @ 5.30' implies that the show is aired at 5.30, it is not, it is aired at 12.30 on weekdays. i understand that 'live talk' was the name of the studio the show was filmed in, and 'loose @ 5.30' was a spinoff of the show, but these are not formal names of the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.193.169.114 (talk) 12:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

The show was called "Loose @ 5.30" for a short time, during which period it was aired at 5:30pm and not at 12:30pm. Cipher ^(Talk) 13:14, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Tyler

Since when is zoe tyler a guest panellists she has been on the show for 4 series. She is a regular panellists

Live Talk

Live Talk was a re-branding of Loose Women. The programme lasted 2 series, series one was in 2000 and series 2 in 2001. It was filmed in Manchester and not London like Loose Women

Many of the former Loose Women team, came to the show including Kaye Adams, Nadia Sawalha, Pattie Coldwell, Karren Brady, Coleen Nolan and Julie Hesmondhalgh. Loose Women regulars Jane Moore, Ruth Langsford and Trish Adudu did not join the rest of the team in Manchester, as they had other projects in London.

For this new programme, brought many new panellists including: Carol McGiffin, Jenny Powell, Jenni Trent Hughes, Kathryn Apanowicz, Emily Symons, Anne Diamond, Denise Black, Kim Hughes, Sally Gunnell, Julie Peasgood, Lauren Booth, Jenni Murray, Lorraine Kelly, Tracy Shaw, Denise Welch, Heather Mills, Kate Garraway and Sheila Hancock.

I don't think this show is for men. I don't think you should watch it if you are a man. Personally I don't want to listen to a load of old women talking about pregnancy and period pain all day long. What does everybody else think? In fact these women should be shut up and locked away. --86.45.194.207 (talk) 22:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Gossip

I've removed two stories from the "Controversies" section because they're just gossip. The Joan Rivers thing is genuine controversy because it resulted in interruption of a segment of the programme due to what was considered inappropriate conduct by the production company. --TS 14:30, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

List of panellists

Isn't there a better way to list the panelists? I'm sure they used to be listed in order of year or something whereas now it's in alphabetical order with all this "on/off" stuff where on scrolling down you can't actually see which year they were on/off!

Rachel Agnew

Can somebody tell me why Rachel's name has been scrapped from the presenters list, She is yet to appear on the current series but that doesn't mean that she's has left the show. I have corrected this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wizzy500 (talk • contribs) 09:05, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Yet again Rachel has been deleted, Unless you have official proof from either ITV or LW please will stop deleting Rachel's name from the presenters list. She hasn't annouced her departure. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wizzy500 (talk • contribs) 10:54, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Where is the new Loose Woman?

What has happened to the new loose women you search the Country for, she has been only on a couple of shows, so come on, where is she now, why go through all that trouble, to not have her on regularly, get rid off a few and lets have some new blood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.8.249 (talk) 13:12, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

She has been 10 shows isnt that enough? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.248.94 (talk) 14:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Loose Women anchors

In order goes Andrea McLean: As she is the longest serving anchor, since 2007 and so is the leading anchor. Kate Thornton: As she has only been a loose women anchor, since 2009 and so is the main anchor. Ruth Langsford: As she is only a guest anchor until the return of Kate Thornton.

Please desist changing it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.136.204 (talk) 16:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

All-white

Why are there no Black or Asian presenters on loose women? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.148.61 (talk) 18:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Shobna Gulati has been a panelist. Jim Michael (talk) 12:28, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

• Trish Adudu?
• Nina Wadia?
• Shobna Gulati?
• Josie d'Arby?
• Sinitta?
• Beverley Knight?
• Jenni Trent Hughes?
• Melanie Brown?

Past panel

Why aren't past panellists included in this article? (They should be) –anemoneprojectors– 09:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

You can wikipedia 'list of past loose women' and a correct full list of previous Loose Women are on it, the one page is HIGHLY INACCURATE!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.151.105 (talk) 15:26, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Bellingham and Street-Porter

Hello all. Well there's a bit of a dispute surrounding the duration of Lynda Bellingham and Janet Street-Porter. Both these people took breaks in 2011, and an unknown user only identifiable via an IP says that this should be noted in the duration, but it's only break as they never formally left the show therefore surely it shouldn't count. If Bellingham had left in mid-January 2011 and returned on 31 December 2011, we wouldn't have changed it, and her break was a lot shorter than that.

But what does everyone else think anyway? Arsenalfan24 (talk) 19:11, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Lynda Bellingham is on hiatus and is due to return in June 2012. Sally Lindsay is also away filming her programme 'Mount Pleasant'. Both of these presenters should stay on the list as they have not left the show; they are on long term leave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.205.20.112 (talk) 02:43, 19 May 2012 (UTC) Lynda's last appearence was august 2011. Her next appearence will be sept 2012. Surely thois suggests that she has had a whole year/series out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.236.198 (talk) 04:23, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Exactly. She's on hiatus, aka a break, therefore her duration is not effected as she hasn't actually left the show. And no, she's returned within a calendar year of her leaving. Had she left on 1 January 2012 and returned on 31 December 2012, we wouldn't have changed it, therefore it's not needed.Arsenalfan24 (talk) 18:33, 22 May 2012 (UTC) Surely it does not matter whether she has left or not officially- the fact she won't be appearing on this current season means she was not on the series and therefore, from 2011-2012 she was not on loose women. Sally Lindsay is just taking about 4-5 months off the show but has appeared on the series. In the same way Jane McDonald left the show in 2010 to do work projects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.255.35 (talk) 23:17, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

It's irrelevant. Loose Women does not have 'series', they just run one-after-the-other and have a break for summer. She did appear in 2011, and is to appear in 2012, so changing it does not make sense.Arsenalfan24 (talk) 15:30, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

You're wrong. Loose women is in series, which is why they say 'join us for our new series in September' before their summer break. Lynda will have missed more than 12 months when/if she ever she returns and so it is relevant to note the break. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.30.43.237 (talk) 00:55, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Ruth Langsford

is she regular relief anchor/cover anchor or not? someone keeps putting it back and others remove it and i'm not sure if she is/isn't tbh?Arsenalfan24 (talk) 22:48, 22 May 2012 (UTC) No she isn't. She does stand in now and again, but nowhere have ITV confirmed she is their official 'guest anchor' or 'relief presenter.' She does it the most often, but others have guest anchored a lot as well such as Fiona Phillips and Kate Garraway who have never been referred to as 'the official relief anchor.' Just someone with nothing better to do making things up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.255.35 (talk) 23:15, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Scrap guest appearances in durations

I think we should scrap the guest appearance dates that we put in durations. For example, Janet Street-Porter has 2004-10, 2011, 2012-; however, this is misleading as appearing in one-show in 2011 is hardly a representation of the year, and she was never contracted to appear fully, it was just a cameo. I don't think they should be included. Arsenalfan24 (talk) 13:42, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Anchors or Presenters

Not to be anal, but there is no such thing as "anchors" in the UK. We never hear this applied in the UK at all. Anchor is American. It's always "presenter" or "co-presenter" in the UK. British-English should really be applied to this British programmes history

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Constant changes to "Presented by" and "starring" in the infobox

Over recent weeks there have been multiple additions and deletions to the presenter and starring fields in the infobox, far more than seen with any other TV program. I do not watch this program so I don't know whether these changes have been valid as they have not been explained. Please note that WP:TVCAST explains that we list cast in original credit order with new cast added to the end of the list and that cast are NOT removed from the list even if they leave the program. Unless somebody can justify recent changes I intend reverting the unexplained changes in the near future and adding a note to the infobox regarding WP:TVCAST. --AussieLegend (✉) 10:27, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Episode table

The episode tables in this article do not conform to any usual form of table used on Wikipedia. In a discussion I started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television (see here) it was agreed that this table should not exist in its current form. Can anyone here justify inclusion? If not, the tables will be removed per that discussion. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:06, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Could we please have the list of Presenters on each episode again, I personally find it interesting. I'll even try and keep track of who's on these days if it means we can have a page or a list of Presenters on each episode. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.36.5 (talk • contribs) 14:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

This is not how we create episode tables. Episodes tables should include information on what happened in an episode, not just list who sat in what chair. --AussieLegend (✉) 17:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Can we have a table that just has the presenters on? I find that more interesting than the actual discussion of the episode. Does anyone know where the old table went and why it was deleted? Mikopale (talk) 20:51, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

As was explained above, the table did not comply with the way that we create episode tables for TV programmes. All it included was a list of who was in what chair on a particular day which served no encyclopaedic purpose whatsoever. It was not even in the article for very long. Episode tables normally include a summary of the episode, lists of guests, writers and directors, numbers of viewers etc although, for a daily talk show, episode tables are not often created at all. --AussieLegend (✉) 05:33, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Why is it not considered encyclopaedic? I’m sure there’s no harm in still having it. Mikopale (talk) 11:28, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

It just lists who sat in what chair on a particular day and provides absolutely no context as to why this is at all relevant. It's like listing the people that sat in a particular chair during a game of musical chairs. --AussieLegend (✉) 11:59, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Let’s take a vote then. Give people a week to vote. I vote we have it. Mikopale (talk) 22:51, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Let’s take a vote then. Give people a week to vote. I vote we have it. Mikopale (talk) 22:52, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

I have read your initial article that you wrote in February. There is no discussion there stating that the presenters of each episode should be removed. You also state that you’ve never watched the programme. Listing the presenters in the order they sit shows which presenter was the main presenter for that episode and which were co panelists. I’m quite surprised you deleted it, considering you’ve never seen the show before. Why would you even bother to edit something you don’t even watch. Mikopale (talk) 23:03, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not work on voting. Decisions are made based on consensus with reference to policies and guidelines so any pure vote is invalid. What I wrote in February specifically refers to the infobox, not the section that was removed. The matter of removal of the ridiculous table of presenters was discussed at WT:TV where I sought advice from other editors regarding that and it was removed accordingly. Your stated reasons for inclusion of the table are not explained anywhere in the article, nor are they sourced. When it all comes down to it, how is the fact that people effectively play musical chairs important, especially when there is no explanation of what was discussed in each episode? As a side request, could you please start indenting your replies? --AussieLegend (✉) 06:19, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Firstly I would like to apologise for not indenting my replies, I do not know how to, however am willing to learn. Secondly I have read the initial discussion, unfortunately I can’t add a comment, however I have read that you can talk about a deletion on the main pages discussion which I am doing. The initial article that was created with the presenters for each episode consisted of a lot of hard work and upkeep, to demolish all the work is a shame. Therefore I suggest to re-evaluate its return. I am not the only person who thinks it should be re-instated. I see no harm to anyone why it should be brought back. If anyone doesn’t want it then they can simply use there choice not to read it and let it be for people who are interested in it. I think this is the ultimate fairest solution to all. Mikopale (talk) 10:54, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2019

can we please add Denise Welch to seat 4 as that is usually where she always sits now and then only occasionally in seats 2 and 3 2A00:23C4:8F7D:3301:A06B:E7FE:1E60:82D9 (talk) 14:54, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MrClog (talk) 14:59, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Sourcing on this is very bad

Lots of claims cited to WP:THESUN and WP:DAILYMAIL, which are actually deprecated sources that shouldn't be used for anything and especially not any sort of claim about living people. A few to IMDB, which is unreliable 'cos it's user generated. If the cited information is to be kept, it needs WP:RSes. Let's see if any RSes turn up in, say, a week - David Gerard (talk) 18:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

You're being hopeful. This article resembles a fansite more than something we'd expect to find in an encyclopaedia. See the threads that I've started above. Cheers. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:33, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

@David Gerard: Just thought I'd notify you that it's been a week. – DarkGlow (talk) 13:01, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Culled the worst of it - unsourced and actually-deprecated. I left the tabloid but not actually deprecated sources. Disconcerted that a long-running popular show has so little RS coverage, really - David Gerard (talk) 13:54, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

It's downmarket trash TV for the bored housewife market. You aren't going to find many references to it in non-tabloid sources. --Ef80 (talk) 16:56, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Kaye Adams as Presenter

Hi everyone,

Would you consider Kaye Adams as a regular presenter on Loose Women again? She has presented 6 Episodes within the last 3 weeks and I do believe she is back now presenting regularly, which she had difficulty doing before due to covid restrictions.

--29485O (talk) 23:37, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

itv studios

Itv studios did not exist in 2004 , granada productions 2004-2006 , itv productions 2006-2009, itv studios 2009-present 176.252.124.16 (talk) 02:22, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Sophie Morgan

There seems to be a bit of debate/possible edit war on whether Sophie Morgan is a panellist or not. Now, she hasn't been 'officially' confirmed in anyway however she did feature in the ITV Daytime Internationals Women's Day picture. Personally, I believe she shouldn't be added until she is officially confirmed by ITV. Peterrrroblox (talk) 11:53, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Peter, many panellists across the years have not been confirmed officially by ITV. Notable examples are Anne Diamond, Ayda Field, Kelly Brook, Rebecca Ferguson etc. Morgan did feature in the ITV Daytime International Women's Day picture. She is not a member of any of the other daytime shows, and thus it would seem strange for her to feature on this if not a regular panellist on Loose Women. It is also worth noting when you watch the show, that Morgan has her own named mug, which only regular panellists get given. It has also been a long standing belief that if someone has appeared five times within a season or a few months, they are a regular panellist. Loosewomenfan (talk) 22:40, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

But with the likes of Anne and Ayda, they were listed officially either on the loose women website or confirmed in a PA. But Sophie isn't on either. Peterrrroblox (talk) 19:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Eventually, yes they were included on the website. Go to the Loose Women website now, you will not see Sunetra nor Katie listed as panellists. They still are panellists. Carol and Denise were not listed on the Loose Women website over a year from their return. They were still panellists. Sophie is also very much a panellist. She has her own mug, she was in the ITV International Women's Day picture and they never refer to Sophie on the show as a guest panellist. Loosewomenfan (talk) 23:54, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

But the difference is, Katie & Sunetra have both been officially confirmed by ITV. Sophie hasn't, I would compare this to Paris Fury, she appeared 5 times but then stopped appearing! Which shows she wasn't a regular panellist, she had a mug aswell. Until it is officially confirmed by ITV in anyway. Sophie will NOT be added. Peterrrroblox (talk) 10:44, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I think you're being over-optimistic about sources for a daytime tv show such as this. When Kelle and Judi both respectively joined there was no official confirmation from itv. The panelists page on the itv website is very rarely updated, Sherrie Hewson was shown on there for years after her departure. It would be shortsighted not to include Sophie as a panellist when your source is watching the show itself. BarneyBoyo99 (talk) 09:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I completely agree, Barney. I have edited this page for 8 years and ITV have not confirmed the majority of panellists who have come and gone over the years, not on their website, nor via the show itself or an online article. I fail to see how Sophie is not a panellist when she has her own named mug, included in the ITV international women's day picture, made 7 appearances, and on 6/7 of them appearances has not been referred to as a guest panellist, as we have seen twice with Lady Leshurr. Loosewomenfan (talk) 22:32, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

You guys should just except that Wikipedia pages need sources, there is no proper source for Sophie Morgan Peterrrroblox (talk) 15:56, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Where are the sources for all of the former panellists then? Cause I can only see ones for Karren Brady, Jane McDonald, Lisa Maxwell, Sherrie Hewson, Andrea McLean and Saira Khan? So I'm assuming you'll be deleting everyone else from the 'former regular panellists and presenters section' or adding references? BarneyBoyo99 (talk) 12:44, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Those people were either in the titles for the show when the presenters appeared in them, or were on the loose women website. Peterrrroblox (talk) 19:05, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

But there's no source in the article. Saying they were in the title sequence is no different from Sophie appearing on the show with an official mug with her name on it. I doubt there would have been a website back in 1999 listing all those panellists who only appeared in the first couple of years. In turn, I've now added Sophie, as there is an official press release naming Sophie as a female presenter at itv daytime, as she has only appeared on Loose Women, that thus means she is a presenter of loose women. BarneyBoyo99 (talk) 00:23, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

I've removed Sophie again, she hasn't been officially confirmed in anyway get over that. Leshurr has a mug now and she is still a guest panellist so that is no measure Peterrrroblox (talk) 14:43, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

So,what do you propose to do when Sophie inevitably keeps appearing? Just not add her because you do not agree? Barney makes a completely valid point. I will be adding Sophie once again. And, yes Leshurr is referred to as a guest panellist, which proves my previous point that they do not refer to Sophie as a guest. So, I shall be adding her once again. Loosewomenfan (talk) 19:18, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

When their is a source and confirmation, I will agree, as you have seen the page has been fully protected now because you refuse to accept wiki pages need sources, all very pathetic for mePeterrrroblox (talk) 14:30, 26 April 2022 (UTC)