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"Look What You Made Me Do"
"Look What You Made Me Do"
Single by Jack Leopards & The Dolphin Club
Released	24 May 2020
Songwriter(s)	Taylor Swift; Jack Antonoff; Fred Fairbrass; Richard Fairbrass; Rob Manzoli;
Producer(s)	Jack Antonoff; Nils Sjöberg;

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Release history

I removed two rows from the "Release history" table because it seemed to be confusing two different concepts:

List of release dates, showing region, format, label and reference.
Region	Date	Format	Label	Ref.
Various	August 25, 2017	Digital download	Big Machine	^[1]
Italy	August 25, 2017	Contemporary hit radio	Universal Music	^[2]
United Kingdom	August 26, 2017	Contemporary hit radio	Virgin EMI	^[3]

A few years back, singles used to come out in a variety of physical formats, like 7-inch vinyl records, 12-inch vinyl records, cassette singles, compact disc singles, and so on. Nowadays, the music download is the main format for singles, and I don't know what physical singles are being released nowadays, if any. That said, if you are going to list "digital download" as a format in a table like this, the other entries in that format column need to be methods of releasing songs as singles, whether that be on vinyl records or CDs or whatever.

Contemporary hit radio is a radio format, that is, the kind of content that a radio station broadcasts. A table indicating how some of Taylor Swift's earlier songs were promoted to radio might be relevant, in that some of those songs might have been promoted to country music radio stations first, and then a few months later promoted to contemporary hit radio stations as well. But that has nothing to do with the format in which her singles were sold. Trying to combine these two concepts would be like asking children what grade they are in, and one responds "I'm in fifth grade," and the other responds "I got a B plus." --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:57, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Look What You Made Me Do - Single by Taylor Swift on Apple Music". iTunes Store (US). Retrieved August 25, 2017.
^ "'Look What You Made Me Do' – Taylor Swift". Radio Airplay. Archived from the original on August 27, 2017. Retrieved August 25, 2017.
^ "BBC – Radio 1 Playlist: Friday, 25th August". BBC. Archived from the original on August 27, 2017. Retrieved August 25, 2017.

@Metropolitan90: I tried getting this, and may other concepts, into people's heads many years ago, but unfortunately most of the people guarding music articles are too stubborn to make common sense changes such as separating release formats and radio formats. Just as a heads up, don't expect the "veterans" of music articles to accept this without some sort of unnecessary resistance. Expect instead arguments such as "this is how we've always done it", "radio formats are formats by name", which can easily be refuted but not listened to. Good luck. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count) 06:00, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if I see it again, I will still try to correct it. And if that doesn't work, I might write to someone and say, "Hi, I am a music collector. I already have this song as a download, but do you know a store in Italy or the UK where I can order it as a contemporary hit radio? I can't find a CD single, so I guess having it as a contemporary hit radio will be a good substitute." --Metropolitan90 (talk) 12:45, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Metropolitan90:– I couldn't disagree more. Physical singles are being released and radio formats are release forms. --Felipeedit (talk) 14:04, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We need the radio information to be honest. It clarifies. Aleccat 20:47, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It still seems to me that we are talking about two different things. For example, at 1989 (Ryan Adams album)#Release history, it says that the album was released as a digital download on Sept. 21, 2015, then as a CD on Nov. 6, and then on vinyl and cassette on Dec. 11. I understand that. Those are four different ways of buying the album. But the "Release history" table in this article, I don't understand. You can buy this song as a digital download. But you can't buy it as a contemporary hit radio; that's not a method of buying a recording.

I would like to suggest that if the radio formats are so important, they should be placed into a separate table from the release history in terms of sales formats. This way, the information will be in the article but without confusing people. We shouldn't try to combine the two any more than we would want to compare two schoolchildren's "grades" by saying that one kid is in 5th grade and the other has a B plus. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:26, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that singles are released to radio also for promotion and playing them. Hence for singles and song articles, the release history also includes the different radio stations where the track was "released" by the label. A radio cannot simply play a song without the label allowing them, just like a label has to allow a retailer to sell the song. The two different formats can perfectly co-exist in the same table. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 04:34, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, do not conflate a format with a release to radio, streaming websites, etc. They are still releases. Aleccat 05:29, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I believe it is incorrect to say that a radio station "cannot simply play a song without the label allowing them." At least in the U.S., over-the-air broadcasters are only required to secure permission from the owners of the copyright in the underlying song (not the sound recording), which they do by getting blanket licenses from licensing organizations such as ASCAP and BMI that cover tremendous numbers of songs. The record label has no say over that, nor do they get paid. (I understand the situation is different in other countries.) For Internet radio and streaming services, the situation is different, and the record labels do get paid for use of the sound recordings -- but the Internet radio station/streaming service can still pay for a blanket license that covers sound recordings in general. They don't need to wait for permission from a particular record label once a track has been commercially released. To put it another way, if an "easy listening" station wants to add a rap record to its playlist, it doesn't need special permission from anyone to do so. Or, to put it in more relevant terms, a country music station that wants to play "Look What You Made Me Do" is allowed to do so if they want, notwithstanding that the track may not have been promoted to them by the record label. Besides, if I interpreted the table literally, it would imply that in the U.S., only contemporary hit radio stations and no other radio stations are allowed to play this song, and only since Aug. 29. Yet according to the article, the song has already charted on the Billboard Adult Contemporary chart, and that's based on airplay from a different radio format. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 14:49, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Metropolitan90, you are correct that a radio does not wait for a label to play a song. However, the release dates for the radio are an active promotion also on the label's behalf where they push it to radio for adding to their playlists and panel, as well as promoting to that particular format. In this case the release date here indicates that LWYMMD was actively released on that day to that particular format for airplay. Was it played before that date? Of course, radio did play it. But that particular date is the one when it was entered in radio database and their playlists. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 16:21, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the cover art

According to iTunes, the single cover is the same as the album cover. So I don't really see the problem in adding it. https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/look-what-you-made-me-do-single/id1275004355 -- Telie2222 (talk) 02:41, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NFCC#3a, we cannot use non-free content more than once. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 02:54, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Video Background/Context Section

Can someone add a video background subsection with copy from the entire "Controversy" section of Kanye's famous wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famous_(Kanye_West_song)#Controversy, or at the very least, link to the section? It provides context for those unfamiliar with what 90% of the video is supposed to be about! And why should users have to go to a different page to read?

And here are refs for the "receipts"/car crash and bath diamonds being a stab at Kim's diamond robbery where she was left tied in a bathtub. http://pagesix.com/2017/08/29/taylor-swifts-diamond-bath-cost-more-than-10m/ to add to the section. http://www.thedailybeast.com/is-taylor-swift-mocking-kim-kardashians-robbery-at-gunpoint-in-her-new-music-video

Video subsection "decoding" sources:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnvofmnvodfnvp (talk • contribs) 02:11, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Analysis section?

I'm planning to add an "analysis" sub-section in the music video section, and I have a Rolling Stone article that can be referenced if I do add one. However, they seem more to be theories as the director, or anyone involved in the making of the video, has not confirmed anything. Should I add it? Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 03:43, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Critical analysis can always be added, we do not need to wait for the director or Swift to confirm or validate them. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 04:02, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I'll add it in. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 04:04, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can you add this ref since many thought the car character was supposed to be a reference to Kim, but it's actually a reference to Katy Perry: https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/wjjknm/taylor-swift-needs-to-sit-this-year-out . My previous 5 references above are from mainstream sources too.

Critical reception reference/cited by Breitbart & The Daily Stormer

Can someone add these sources to the critical reception, as it talks about how some see it as petty in the Trump era, and how Breitbart, The Daily Stormer, and the alt-right likes/cites this song and her for their cause.

.....that wouldn't be critical reception, that would be more of an "Impact" section. --Aleccat 21:58, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Single Art

Is the really no single art for the single? DatBoy101 (talk) 20:22, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Release date

Moved from User talk:Hayman30 § Look What You Made Me Do

August 24, 2017 Actual release date. August 25, 2017 Formal release date.

I choose the latter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicfavorite21 (talk • contribs) 10:54, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Musicfavorite21: You don't get to choose, there isn't a choice anyway. I don't know what a "formal release date" is, but a majority of sources on the page are pointing at the August 24 release, and it indeed was released on that day, as you admitted. Regarding the conflict between sources, discuss on the article's talk page, instead of performing a series of reverts. Hayman30 (talk) 12:26, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

August 24, 2017 is ACTUAL release date.

https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&ar=&ti=LOOK+WHAT+YOU+MADE+ME+DO&lab=&genre=&format=&date_option=release&from=&to=&award=&type=&category=&adv=SEARCH#search_section https://www.bpi.co.uk/award/14534-1598

RIAA and BPI stipulate that the release date is August 25.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7950114/taylor-swift-look-what-you-made-me-do-number-one-hot-100

"After its Aug. 25 release, the song soars to the top with the highest weekly streaming and sales sums for a track in 2017 and breaks the record for the most weekly streams ever for a song by a woman." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicfavorite21 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is clearly stated in Apple Music that the song was released on August 25. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicfavorite21 (talk • contribs) 13:16, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Was released for YouTube streaming on the 24th. Go with the 24th. Aleccat 13:38, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I know that the song was released on YouTube, Apple Music and iTunes at midnight on August 24, but most of the trustworthy sources stipulate that the release date of the song is August 25.

That was most likely a time zone conflict as it came out in the late hours of August 24th (at least for streaming as noted here, which IS an official release). While it might not have become available for download until the next day, we go by earliest known release, which was the 24th. For what it's worth, Taylor also specifically indicated on August 23rd that it would come out on the 24th, saying then she would release the song "tomorrow night" (although the song's title hadn't yet been announced at the time). Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:25, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Original Release Date, Release Date and other Dates
"ReleaseDate" – the date where the Release at hand has first been (or will be) been made available to the public in its current form, whether for physical or electronic/online distribution. For the Beatles' "White Album" this would be "1968-11-22" (or "1968" if less precision is required). Note: This is not the date from when on the DSP is allowed to make the Release available to consumers; that date is part of the Deal section of the NewReleaseMessage.
"OriginalReleaseDate" – the date on which the collection of tracks for the Release (e.g. the equivalent physical album on vinyl) was or will be first made available for Usage. In most cases this is the same as the ReleaseDate and thus does not need to be replaces. However, if the an album is re-mastered then the ReleaseDate of the re-mastered album would differ from the OriginalReleaseDate of the original album. The Beatles' "White Album" was a re-released on white vinyl in 1978; to accompany that Release with dates, one could set the OriginalReleaseDate to 1968 and the ReleaseDate to 1978.

Look Amazon.com's Product details.
Original Release Date: August 25, 2017
Release Date: August 24, 2017
Taylor's record label adopt Original Release Date. We should also adopt that. Musicfavorite21 (talk • contribs) 04:00, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good article?

Do you guys feel that this article can be nominated as a Good Article? Even if it does not qualify for it, I am pretty certain that this article can already fall out of the "start-class" rating. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 12:55, 30 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Too soon for such a nomination when it's still running on the charts, there's content in the article body missing in-text citations, the commercial performance section doesn't take into account all nations it charted in, and absolutely nothing on live performances (or lack thereof). It therefore fails the verifiability, breadth of coverage, and probably stability requirements to successfully pass a GAN. However, it's definitely safe so say this is no longer a start-class article, and I've changed it to C-class. It definitely would need to have all text properly cited before it could become a B-class, and might not be broad enough in coverage for that now either. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:19, 30 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply. However, there isn't any live performances for this song yet, so I think that we can wait as Taylor might perform some time in late November or December. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 04:33, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

File nominated for deletion on commons

file:c:File:Swift Bite.jpg Reason:No license indicated subpage:

Message automatically deposited by a robot on 09:06, 2 January 2018 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harideepan (talk • contribs)

Image automatically removed from the page after the deletion. -- HindWiki^Connect 10:08, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Award-Winning Speech

"She is wearing the same outfit Swift had worn during the 2009 MTV Video Music Awards, when West interrupted her award-winning speech for Best Female Video.[67]"

Can someone change this, as the sentence implies that the speech itself was award winning? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.104.116 (talk) 23:03, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding First Day Views

The actual views Look What You Made Me Do had on the first day was 49,917,438 (2017/08/28) according to Kworb.^[1] Please notify and change to the correct information. — Iddobadthingswithyou (talk) 05:31, 19 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://kworb.net/youtube/video/3tmd-ClpJxA.html

Wrong release date

The song was released on August 25th, not the 24th. Taylor announced the song on August 23rd saying that it would be available the next night, and it released at midnight EST, so its actual release date was the 25th. Vinylzombie mcr (talk) 02:24, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Leopards infobox

I noticed that the infobox in the section on Jack Leopards and the Dolphins Club is no longer there. It was removed by Wikipedia editor User:HĐ with the reasoning "no need an infobox for this section... WP:SPECULATION". I think that, given infoboxes can be used for cover sections, there's no issue with an infobox here to help readers understand. I can see how it might have violated WP:SPECULATION, given it was labeled a promotional single, but other than that, I don't see an issue. Would there be a problem if the infobox was restored in a similar manner as shown to the right? Also, in the event the infobox is restored, should the Spotify image be used as the cover photo? --LivelyRatification (talk) 03:06, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Other than being a promo single I see no point in another infobox, given that it can be mentioned within one-two sentences. There is no issue with an infobox, but what purpose is it serving here, since the information in this infobox technically is the same with the main infobox? HĐ (talk) 07:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Certification Table citation

i added the new Platinum certification in Spain but i don't know how to properly reference it with its source

https://www.elportaldemusica.es/awards/index?AwardsSearch%5Bartist%5D=TAYLOR+SWIFT&AwardsSearch%5Btitle%5D=LOOK+WHAT+YOU+MADE+ME+DO&AwardsSearch%5Byear%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Bweek%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Bgroup%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Baward%5D= Samantha13br (talk) 20:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[iTunes-1] "Look What You Made Me Do - Single by Taylor Swift on Apple Music". iTunes Store (US). Retrieved August 25, 2017.

[2] "'Look What You Made Me Do' – Taylor Swift". Radio Airplay. Archived from the original on August 27, 2017. Retrieved August 25, 2017.

[3] "BBC – Radio 1 Playlist: Friday, 25th August". BBC. Archived from the original on August 27, 2017. Retrieved August 25, 2017.

[4] ttp://kworb.net/youtube/video/3tmd-ClpJxA.html

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