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My understanding was that Lono-i-ka-makahiki, the one associated with Cook, was a deified chief/king and not the same as Lono, the ancient rain god. It is odd, after all, for a god like Lono to "leave" Hawaii promising to return. Can someone clarify this? KarlM 06:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are in error. Cook was mistaken for the great god, Lono, Lono of the triad god-head of Kane, Ku and Lono called 'lahui akua,' not the later [Paramount Chief/Ali'i Nui] Lono-i-ka-makahiki, son of [Paramount Chief/Ali'i Nui] Keawe-a-Umi. Ali'i Nui Lono-i-ka-makahiki did not leave Hawai'i for Kahiki [foreign land] and promise to return at a later time, but the great god Lono did.

According to Beckwith, relating a version provided by Henry Lyman (a descendent of a chiefly family), Lono Akua (Lono the God), in a fit of jealous rage, killed his human wife, Kaikilani-ali'i-o-Puna, then, in remorse, instituted the Makahiki festival in her honor. He then traveled the island in a maddened rage, challenging anyone to wrestle with him, finally stopping to build a fantastic canoe, loading it with provisions provided by the area's people. The canoe is so large 40 men are needed to lift it from its construction site (Hale Wa'a) to take it to the sea, where....."Lono sails forth alone. His words of promise to the people are that he will return to them, not by canoe but on an island shaded by trees, covered over by coconuts, swarming with fowl and swine."

Cook first landed at Ke-ala-ke-kua (the way of the Gods) Bay, on the island now called Hawai'i, but originally named Lono-nui-akua (The Great God Lono). It was there at Ke-ala-ke-kua where Lono and his wife Kaikilani lived, and where he killed her. It is here where the annual Makahiki procession began, with the land always to the right side, circling the island to collect annual taxes for the Ali'i Nui, the other ranking Chiefs and the Priests. During this procession a god image was carried, called Lono-makua (Parent/Father Lono) which could be seen from afar due to its size. According to David Malo it consisted of a vertical pole, about "two fathoms long" with a foot-long standing god figure, Lono-makua, carved at the top end. A pole/crosspiece just below the the god figure stretched about 16 feet, lashed to the vertical pole at the crosspiece's mid-point. From the crosspiece hung a long, wide swath of the finest white tapa, as long as the vertical pole and as wide as the crosspiece. It was fixed to the crosspiece by fine cord, and decorated by streamers of finely made, colorful feather leis at each end. The white tapa billowed in the breeze as a sail on a ship does when fully let. And, according to Malo, it was the sight of the billowed sails of the Resolution and Discovery that caused Kanaka Maoli (native men) to imagine that Cook was the great god Lono, returned at last to the place he departed from in ages past. 12.44.115.43 07:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lono's Wife

Lono's wife is Laka, the goddess of Hula, not Kaikilani. Kaikilani was the wife of Lonoikamakahiki, who was named after Lono and his season of worship, and they were both ruling chief and chiefess of Hawaii, not gods or goddesses.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 13:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

According to ancient Hawaiian lore the major gods (including Lono) had many forms called kino (such as Lonomakua, Lononuiakua, Lonokahikini... etc.) The legend is that Lono (the god) left for Kahiki, the when Cook arrived in Kealakekua the Hawaiian identified him as being the Lono fabled to return. Lonoikamakahiki, the Aliʻi Nui, was just named for that kino of Lono. In fact there is an ancient chiefess Lonoikamakahiki mentioned by Fornander as being married to a man name Peleʻiholani. Also things associated with the gods can have names associated with them. Though, Lonoikamakahiki (Lono of the Makahiki) was the kino of Lono namely for the Makahiki.

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misidentified

This seems culturally insensitive to me. We don't say Jesus the Nazarene was ‘misidentified’ as Yahweh, do we? Not even atheists put it like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.61.180.106 (talk) 14:50, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I instead said 'perceived' as I think this allows for wiggle room, I did get this wording form Noenoe Silva's Aloha Betrayed. I tried 'thought' but it also can be interpreted as not knowing better/insensitive. Elfwood723 (talk) 11:54, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lono Picture

I'm pretty sure that the picture is of a Ki'i of Pele not Lono, as the Museum labels it as a Ki'i of Pele [1]https://www.quaibranly.fr/en/explore-collections/base/Work/action/show/notice/960920-sculpture-en-bois-deesse-pele and I have frequently seen ki'i of Pele in a similar style.[2]https://www.nps.gov/hale/learn/historyculture/pele.htm, A different link from the museum gives the name Lono [3]https://www.quaibranly.fr/en/explore-collections/base/Work/action/show/notice/524-sculpture-anthropomorphe Elfwood723 (talk) 08:03, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources in Dialogue for an Oral history

Since Hawaiian history is mostly Oral what is the best way going about putting different sources and/or different oral histories in conversation, as we can't just choose one source to be correct, also there the problem of using Haole(not Native Hawaiian)sources/tellings/translations compared to Kanaka Maoli(Native Hawaiian) sources/tellings/translations as they have different cultural interpretations. Also this debate is also in modern Historiography so I don't expect much. Elfwood723 (talk) 11:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]