Talk:Ljubo Miloš

References

The reference given here are very valuable testimonies and collection of documents. Both books are reference books and cannot be used outside libraries. To locate these books in the American Univ. libraries - use this Google search

http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/171287229&tab=holdings?loc=Chicago+IL

http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/12962342&tab=holdings?loc=Chicago+IL —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brzica milos etc (talk • contribs) 14:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Note that Brzica milos etc (talk · contribs) is behaving and editing exactly as 72.75.24.245 (talk · contribs). --/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 23:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

• I like this - long live user User:Brzica!--72.75.24.245 (talk) 02:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Eyewitness reports

Category:Executed Nazi concentration camp personnel is having 32 articles. In this articles it is no possible to find "eyewitness reports" of crimes. I will ask again if Ustaše crimes need to have special status on wikipedia ? If answer is Yes then "eyewitness reports" can be in article if answer is no then we will edit this article like articles of other WWII criminals. Maybe I am mistaking wikipedia is having editorial consensus about this ??

Similar things is with citations.

User which is writen more times words sadistic, bestial and similar words (only in this article this has been writen more times of all articles about Holocaust camps) more times of what is writen in all wikipedia articles need to read NPOV rules. --Rjecina (talk) 23:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• You have to learn better English, then read and thoroughly understand the Wikipedia NPOV rules. Help is provided by the Wikipedia administrators.--66.217.132.35 (talk) 10:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Can we read answer of puppeteer ?--Rjecina (talk) 20:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

A "very sadistic and pathological commander"

I see that there is a source, but instead of using Wikipedia:PEACOCK words like that, does the source offer anything specific about what he did? There are allegations but those are unsourced and are so vague it's not useful. I mean, he was head of the secret service (for what years?). I assume there are some specific examples of what he did. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 18:52, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• There are additional data you could find in many books. Read the rest of this article and the new references and citation I've added.--71.252.106.166 (talk) 01:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Smell of Human Flesh

It would be helpful if someone had a specific page citation for Danon's book, The Smell of Human Flesh. The fact that the writer didn't even spell his name right isn't exactly encouraging. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:06, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• So, you added this reference demanding that someone else shall provide specific page(s)??? Did you ever had this book in your hands???--71.252.106.166 (talk) 01:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Can you please read book in question before adding quotations ?
  • I am knowing answer on Maček question !!
  • This question is anectode and Maček has asked guard with unknown name and not Miloš--Rjecina (talk) 21:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
• You owe apology to me and other people you were slandering for over several months. When I see that apology on the talk pages of each of these people - I'll see whether or not to honor this question.

--71.252.106.166 (talk) 02:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Article protection

Article protected for one month, per this ANI thread. EyeSerene^talk 18:23, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

he interwiki

pl's add the he interwiki:

he:ליובו מילוש —Preceding unsigned comment added by Motyka (talk • contribs) 12:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Maček's Memoirs falsely cited

Correct cite:

"Videći kako se svaki put prije nego legne u krevet prekrsti, sveo sam jedne večeri razgovor na religiju. Prikazao sam mu svu bezbožnost njegova djelovanja i zapitao ga zar se ne boji Božje kazne. A on mi odgovori: 'Nemojte mi ništa govoriti. Znam da ću za sve što sam počinio u paklu gorjeti. Ali ću gorjeti za Hrvatsku'!"

from Vladko Maček: Memoari, Hrvatska seljačka stranka, Zagreb 1992 p 168--178.223.80.108 (talk) 09:08, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Replace

At one point, Maček noticed that Miloš prayed very often and asked him if he "feared God's punishment" for the atrocities he committed in the camp. "Say nothing to me," Miloš replied. "I know I will burn in hell for what I have done and for what I will do. But I will burn for Croatia."[5][6]

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Maček seeing Miloš, before going to bed, always made the sign of the cross, asked him if he "feared God's punishment" for the atrocities he committed in the camp. Miloš replied, "Say nothing to me. I know I will burn in hell for what I have done. But I will burn for Croatia."

--178.223.80.108 (talk) 09:28, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

According to Google Translate, the text above translates as:

As I watched each time before falling into bed, I had a conversation on religion one evening. I showed him all the wickedness of his action and wondered if he was not afraid of God's punishment. And he replied, 'Do not tell me anything. I know that for everything I did in the hell will I burn. But I'm going to burn for Croatia!

Can you please expound on why this needs to be changed? Bradv🍁 02:17, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

The Google translation (which you tried to fix here) does not work. The proposed text change is more correct than the translation you offered. For example, the first sentence "Videći kako se svaki put prije nego legne u krevet prekrsti, sveo sam jedne večeri razgovor na religiju." can be translated as: "Seeing (him, Milos) making the sign of the cross every time before falling into bed, one evening (I , Macek) turned our discussion to the religion." Milos' reply does not include "and for what I will do". I hope you see now why the existing quote of the Macek's memoirs is not correct.--109.93.228.242 (talk) 06:41, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

References

Whole paragraph not verified by reference added

I've noticed that the same user signed as 23 editor claims the same across many articles

On 6 April 1941, Axis forces invaded the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Poorly equipped and poorly trained, the Royal Yugoslav Army was quickly defeated. Yugoslavia was then dismembered and the extreme Croat nationalist and fascist Ante Pavelić, who had been in exile in Benito Mussolini's Italy, was appointed Poglavnik (leader) of an Ustaše-led Croatian state – the Independent State of Croatia (often called the NDH, from the Croatian: Nezavisna Država Hrvatska). The NDH combined almost all of modern-day Croatia, all of modern-day Bosnia and Herzegovina and parts of modern-day Serbia into an "Italian-German quasi-protectorate".[2]

Reference [2] is actually Tomasevich, Jozo (2001). War and Revolution in Yugoslavia, 1941–1945: Occupation and Collaboration. Stanford, California: Stanford University Press. ISBN 978-0-8047-3615-2. and, here, [2] pionts at page 272. The whole page 272 of this book has nothing to do with the section I've quoted above. The page 272 is all about the sovereign rights over the Yugoslav territory claimed by ISC (Independent State of Croatia). He repeats across many articles the same: "Poorly equipped and poorly trained, the Royal Yugoslav Army was quickly defeated." Here it is clealy visible that Royal Yugoslav Army was betrayed and sabotaged by Volksdeutsche minority in Yugoslavia, by Croats and Slovenes too.

This 23 editor very bad practice shall be stopped and all his/her past edits particular to the WWII in Yugoslavia scrutinized.--Bocin kolega (talk) 15:20, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

You are incorrect. As I have pointed out elsewhere, the Yugoslav Army and Army Air Force were completely outclassed, and the fifth column actions did not have a significant effect on the outcome of the conflict, as it was decided on the southern front in the first few days. By the time the northern front started properly on 10 April, the whole situation was already extremely dire. The correct page range for this summary of the conflict is pp. 84–86 of Tomasevich 1975. The citation to Tomasevich 2001 is wrong, the geographical description should be referenced to the maps on pp. 62 & 236. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:34, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

The reply above makes no sense to me. I referred to four academically unquestionable references and Tomasevich (an amateur historian) in no way countered Petranovic, US Army military analysts and G. C. Paikert.--Bocin kolega (talk) 14:33, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Then you are having difficulty with comprehension. I am talking about the actual effect of the fifth column activity on the overall outcome. If you think Tomasevich is an amateur historian, you are not familiar with his work or the laudatory academic reviews of it. I suggest you do some research. I question your ability to interpret the reliable sources policy. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:50, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Laughable academic reviews? Yes, there are some. And he is a laughable military analyst.--Bocin kolega (talk) 09:51, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

I fail to see the point of continuing to engage with you. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:53, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Marginal and redundant

The whole paragraph, as written now

On 6 April 1941, Axis forces invaded Yugoslavia. Poorly equipped and poorly trained, the Royal Yugoslav Army was quickly defeated.[2] The country was then dismembered and the extreme Croat nationalist and fascist Ante Pavelić, who had been in exile in Benito Mussolini's Italy, was appointed Poglavnik (leader) of an Ustaše-led Croatian state – the Independent State of Croatia (often called the NDH, from the Croatian: Nezavisna Država Hrvatska). The NDH combined almost all of modern-day Croatia, all of modern-day Bosnia and Herzegovina and parts of modern-day Serbia into an "Italian-German quasi-protectorate".[3][4] NDH authorities, led by the Ustaše militia,[5] subsequently implemented genocidal policies against the Serb, Jewish and Romani population living within the borders of the new state.[6]

is marginal to this biography and already contained in Independent State of Croatia article.--Bocin kolega (talk) 13:12, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

It is important context for Miloš' biography. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:27, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

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