Talk:Living Enrichment Center/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Images

Can we ditch some of the images on this page? They are a bit excessive. Some of the captions are lengthy and should be cleaned up, too. – Mipadi July 3, 2005 15:03 (UTC)

Done! Aesculapius75 9 July 2005 16:23 (UTC)

Cult? Really?

Why is this in the Cult category? It seems to have appeared on 04:00, 7 October 2005 from 207.200.116.130. Any objection to removing that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdpinpdx (talk • contribs) 18:56, February 5, 2006

I just removed it. The qualification of "cult" is very fuzzy and controversial. I think that the term "New Religious Movement" suffices, which is already listed at the bottom. -- Andrew Parodi 03:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Good. I suppose a reasonable person could see parallels to cults in some of the LEC disfunction, but I think the conclusion is a bit extreme (to say the least). There are lots of disfunctional churches. We're human, after all. sdp 19:09, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not too sure that the conclusion is that extreme, actually. Mary Morrissey ruled the inner circle of Living Enrichment Center the way a cult leader rules his/her cult. I do believe that on that level LEC was indeed a cult. Mary Morrissey held almost total control of LEC. The thing about the "cult" label is that the term "cult" is very vague. I read somewhere that all mainstream religions would fall under the desciption of cult as well, and people just don't realize this because the major religions are old and established. I think this is why many people have abandoned the term "cult" for "new religion." I have to be honest, though. Mary Morrissey was the main draw of Living Enrichment Center, and I did see people there who virtually worshipped her. On some levels it did indeed seem like a cult. But for the sake of this discussion, that's a moot point now because I have removed the "cult" category. -- Andrew Parodi 19:55, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Introduction

The introduction to this article was lifted straight out of this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.40.207 (talk • contribs) 21:17, April 2, 2006

Yes, I am the writer of that page, and I am the one who began this article about LEC. In other words, the "lifting" is completely with permission. Andrew Parodi 08:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

External Links

I have removed the youtuibe links because they are suspection copy vios see WP:C. The youtibe page states the copyright will have expired when the LEC went bust. I don't agree. Surely the copyright will have been assigned to the creditors. As such I believe the links are a copy vio and have removed them. --Spartaz 20:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

If you would actually watch the videos you would see that they end with only one credit: "Copyright: Living Enrichment Center." No other names are given. Living Enrichment Center, as detailed at length in this article, no longer exists. This video is in the public domain now. 172.193.31.232 23:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Huh? Just because an entity files for Chapter 7 dosen't mean all their intellectual property goes into the public domain. Cacophony 23:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Most important articles

I agree that this article needs to be rebuilt. In the spirit of helping to rebuild this article, I will offer what appear to me to be the most important articles about this topic:

• State of Oregon's COMPLAINT against the Morrisseys
• Ex-church leader falls far behind schedule in repaying $10.7 million
• Accused church head faces congregation
• Morrissey to meet with LEC 'refugees'
• The Prophet Margin (This appears to be the most prolific and extensive article on the subject.)
• Articles from The Oregonian and other Oregon papers
• Uncertain future for migrant camp (I'm on the fence about this one. Though it is interesting to note that Mary Morrissey's church was begun on a farm that had a migrant camp, it's not exactly directly related to the article per se. It may seem a little too much like investigative journalism to include this link. I'll let others be the judge of this.)
• The question is: Where did the money go?

Hopefully we can find a way to rebuild this article with these references, and turn this into a cohesive article rather than the mess that it was. Thanks. Valerie Taylor 03:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

When I first read the page it seemed to be written by someone that has not contributed to any other Wikipedia articles other than this one. Looking at the page history, I find that I'm right on the money in my initial assessment (see the edits of these four editors: #1, #2, #3, #4). When a single purpose account writes a page about a church, that is nearly always a bad thing. Cacophony 22:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Aerial Image

I highly doubt this aerial image was taken by User:Laughing Jesus, but I can't find it elsewhere. What to do? Cacophony 23:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

What about this image of Mary Manin Morrissey's BMW at Living Enrichment Center? Walk the Streets 07:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)