Talk:Little Einsteins/Archive 1

Archive 1

I formatted the episode list as a table to included the featured art works/artists and music/composers. Please help fill in/correct the data in the table, I couldn't recall more than a few of them. FelineAvenger 06:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Episode List Seasons

Can anyone confirm the attribution of the episodes to the seasons in the current list? I was pretty sure "Ring around the Planet" was one of the first episodes out there, not sure why it was listed in the second season. FelineAvenger 05:17, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Moved a few of the episodes I think were early ones to the first season. Can anyone point to an authoritative list? FelineAvenger 18:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

We need a page for "O Yes, O Yes It's Springtime".

Never mind. I only said that because it looked like the other episodes had individual pages.

Removing advert/wikify tags

This article has been significantly expanded and revised. I'm going to go ahead and remove the advert and wikify tags. If anyone feels they ought not to be removed, add them back, but please provide here in the discussion page some feedback about what specifically needs to be modified.

"Song" column

I don't think the "song" column containing the description of the song (the made up words sung in the tune of the classical composition featured in the episode) is something important enough to dedicate an entire column of the episode table to. What do others think, should we keep this? I will delete this in one weeks time (8/14) or so unless people seem to want to keep it. FelineAvenger 03:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Well I didn't make the edit above. Continuing this discussion one the Wikiproject page, as I still don't like this table. FelineAvenger 00:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed the "song" column as well as the columns for ancillary characters and mission synopsis. The table was just getting too busy and sloppy. The information in the removed columns is much better suited for the pages on specific episodes. FelineAvenger 05:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

FelineAvenger, As you can see, the mission column was put back (not by me) and I think you'll find that removing it was overreaching. There's an argument for keeping it simple, but I don't think the mission should be considered trivial since some readers might not remember all episodes by their titles alone and would find the mission synopses helpful. I added back the missing mission synopses with the guest character whenever possible so that mission and ancillary character would remain one column. As for song, that can probably be covered in the individual mission pages (if and when they are created). Brog Likes Rocks 06:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I still think it's a bit busy, although I'm not willing to make a big issue over the mission column. Unfortunately the ancillary characters column has been added back as a separate column too, which I think is kind of excessive. FelineAvenger 23:54, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Name Connections

It sounds plausible, but I have been unable to find a single reference to the source of the children's names on the 'net or any of the DVDs. Did this information come from an interview?

Not helping is that it doesn't fit well. While Quincy Jones was a musician and Annie Oakley did sing (though not most famous for it), Da Vinci was not a conductor and Nam June Paik was not a dancer (or even female). Leopold Stokowski seems a more likely source since he was a conductor like Leo from the show, and there are many dancers named June. Sadly showing my age, June Taylor is the first to come to mind.

Agreed, and good call on the citation needed tag. I've been a long time L.E. viewer with my children and had no idea where that information came from. FelineAvenger 17:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Leo more likely comes from Leonard Bernstein.KriZe 12:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree that Leo is probably Leonard Bernstein. June more likely comes from June Allyson.

Sounds right to me. Those names were just the first to come to mind. Although with no citation, I don't think replacing the names is the proper remedy so much as deleting the "fact" altogether. No point in replacing one bit of (presumably) made up data with a more plausable bit of made up data.

His name is listed as Leonardo in Disney's official site: http://disney.go.com/littleeinsteins/parents/meetteam.html ... This would suggest that he was intended to be named after da Vinci after all.

Data from List of Little Einsteins episodes

I'm going to propose deletion of List of Little Einsteins episodes. I'm preserving the data table from that page as it exists today here, in case some of the data is needed for other LE pages. FelineAvenger 05:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

#	Airdate(s)	Episode	Overview
1	09 October 2005(U.S) 05 December 2005(AU)	Ring Around The Planet	June spots a ring falling off Saturn when she looks through her telescope.
2	Unknown	I Love To Conduct	Leo, Annie, June, Quincy and Rocket go outside at dawn. Leo conducts when he tells Quincy to play instruments to wake up the sun.
3	Unknown	Hungarian Hiccups	When the team enters Rocket in "The Great Sky Race" Rocket gets the hiccups! The team tries to find a cure for the hiccups before the race starts.
4	May 5 2005	Whale Tale	The Little Einsteins go to the beach to play and Rocket plays with a whale!
5	Unknown	Pirate Treasures	The Little Einsteins find a musical map in a box in the rocket room. The map leads them to precious treasures.
6	Unknown	The Birthday Balloons	It's Annie's birthday! And the team gives her balloons but the balloons fly away. So the Little Einsteins trie to get the balloons back.
7	Unknown	Legend of The Golden Pyramid	The Little Einsteins want to go to Egypt to see Hieroglyphics.
8	Unknown	The Dragon Kite	June finds a little dragon kite in her garden. The dragon kite tells her that all the dragon kites in the big kite parade are missing. Then June tells the rest of the team that the dragon kites are missing. The team then help Little Dragon Kite find the other kites.
9	Unknown	Go West, Young Train	Big Jet, Rocket's nemasis steals a party bag from Annie's friend, Little Red Train while the Little Einsteins are just talking to him. The team tries to get the party bag back with Little Red Train.
10	Unknown	Farmer Annie	The Little Einsteins visit their friends, The Three Little Pigs. The Three Little Pigs find seeds. Gardening seeds. There was a packet that had "Super Mystery Seeds". The team help The Three Little Pigs find out what the seeds grow.
11	Unkown	Annie's Solo Mission	Leo teaches Annie some tricks to fly Rocket. Then Leo, June and Quincy blow Super bubbles! Annie tries to take a photo of them with her camera. But as soon as Annie gets her camera the rest of the team (except for Rocket) get stuck in a super bubble! Then Annie has to fly Rocket by herself!
12	Unknown	The Mouse and The Moon	TBA
13	Unknown	The Good Knight and The Bad Knight	TBA
14	Unknown	How We Became The Little Einsteins: The True Story	In a introduction about how The Little Einsteins became The Little Einsteins, The kids/team find a place for Rocket to live. (In the end Rocket makes a Rocket Room himself in Leo and Annie's backyard.
15	Unknown	Jump For Joey	TBA
16	Unknown	The Northern Night Light	The Little Einsteins spot a Mommy Reindeer and a Baby Reindeer. The Baby Reindeer goes off somwhere else! Then the team help Mommy Reindeer to look for Baby Reindeer.
17	Unknown	Oh Yes, Oh Yes It's Springtime	It's Springtime! And the team have a tulip named Baby Tulip. The team help Baby Tulip to bloom. Big Jet arrives and has a new machine! A season machine! Big Jet brings out the season machine and turns all the places into different seasons! Then the team help Baby Tulip get to the spring area.
18	Unknown	A Tall Totem Tale	TBA
19	Unknown	The Incredible Shrinking Adventure	TBA
20	Unknown	Duck, Duck, June	The team finds a nest with a mother duck in it. The mother duck layed seven eggs. One didn't hatch in time. Then the team help Little Ducky (the duck) bring him to Mama Duck. (the mommy duck)
21	Unknown	Rocket Safari	The team go on a safari. Rocket gets stuck in a waterfall and the team help Rocket out of the waterfall. The team get some animals to help them pull Rocket out.
22	Unknown	Knock on Wood	The Team help a Ivory Bill Woodpecker to find a friend in the Ozark Mountain.	TBA
23	Unknown	A Galatic Goodnight	It's bedtime and Rocket can't get to sleep. So the team help him to get to sleep by counting all the planets!
24	Unknown	The Birthday Machine	TBA
25	Unknown	A Little Einsteins Halloween	It's Halloween! And the team start to trick or treat but they have to watch out for ghosts!
26	Unknown	The Christmas Wish	The team get wish boxes from Santa! Everyone except Annie. Then Annie tells the team that she missed out. So the team have a mission to help Annie get her wishbox!
27	Unknown	Our Big Huge Adventure	In a 15 minute movie, The team help a little catterpillar turn into a butterfly! Then they help the butterfly go to a family reunion party.
28	Date TBA	TBA	TBA
29	Date TBA	TBA	TBA
30	Date TBA	TBA	TBA

Data from episodes list on THIS page

I'm removing the Song, Character, and Mission columns from the episode table on this page. Those attributes do not seem to be significant enough to include in this table, but should be included on episode-specific pages. FelineAvenger 05:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Season 1: 2005-2006
Episode	Featured Art	Featured Music	Song	Character	Mission
"Ring Around The Planet"	"Tree of Life" (Gustav Klimt)	Symphony No. 9, "From the New World" (Antonín Dvořák)	"Ring is Going Home"	Ring/June	Take Ring Back to Saturn
"I Love to Conduct"	"Peaceable Kingdom" (Edward Hicks)	Peer Gynt Suite No. 1 - Morning Mood (Edvard Grieg)	"Have You Seen The Bald Eagle"	Bald Eagle/Leo	Rescue Leo's Baton from Bald Eagle
"Hungarian Hiccups"	"Tiger in a Tropical Storm" (Henri Rousseau)	Hungarian Dance No.5 in G Minor (Johannes Brahms)	"Rocket's Race Song"	Other Planes/Rocket, Big Jet	Get Rid of Rocket's hiccups
"Whale Tale"	"The Shore at Bas-Butin, Honfleur" (Georges Seurat)	Horn Concerto No. 2 in E flat Major, K. 417 - Rondo (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart)	"We're Going to find Little Whale"	Little Whale/Rocket	Help Rocket Find Little Whale
"Pirate Treasures"	"In the Hollow of a Wave off the Coast at Kanagawa" (Katsushika Hokusa); "Tahitian Landscape" (Paul Gauguin)	Carmen (Georges Bizet)	"Pirates!"	Team, Big Jet	Find a treasure in the Pacific
"The Birthday Balloons"	"The Merry Jesters" (Henri Rousseau)	Eine Kleine Nachtmusik (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart)	"I Love My Balloons"	Annie and her Balloons	Get Back Annie's Balloons
"Legend of the Golden Pyramid"	Egyptian Hieroglyphics	Hungarian Dance No.5 in G Minor (Johannes Brahms)	"Open Up"	The Golden Harp/Quincy	Unlock the Music in the golden Pyramid
"The Dragon Kite"	(Works by 4 Chinese Painters)	Peer Gynt Suite No. 1 - In the Hall of the Mountain King (Edvard Grieg)	"Save the Kite Parade"	The seven Dragon Kites/June	Find the other dragons for the kite parade
"Go West, Young Train"	Navajo Baskets	L’arlsienne Suite No. 2 (Georges Bizet)	"Save the Party Bag"	Little Train/Annie, Big Jet	Get the Party Bag Back from Big Jet
"Farmer Annie"	"The Olive Trees" (Vincent van Gogh)	"Brandenburg" Concerto No. 5 in D Major - Allegro (Johann Sebastian Bach)	"Helping in the Garden" ( 5 verses)	The 3 Little Piggies/Annie	Help Annie's Garden Grow
"Annie's Solo Mission"	"Expectation" (Gustav Klimt)	L’arlsienne Suite No. 2 - IV (Farandole) (Georges Bizet)	"Save my Friends"	The Super Bubbles, Annie	Rescue the Team From Their Super Bubble
"The Mouse and the Moon"	Ancient Greek and Roman Mosaics	Eine Kleine Nachtmusik (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart)	"See the Moon"	Little Mouse/Quincy	Help Little Mouse Give a Present to the moon
"The Good Knight and the Bad Knight"	"Chessboard with Flower Border" (Giovanni Battista Salvi); Medieval Tapestry	Peer Gynt Suite No. 1 - Morning Mood (Edvard Grieg)	"Drawbidge"	The Good Knight, The Bad Knight, Team	Rescue the Good Knight
"How We Became the Little Einsteins: The True Story"	Watercolor paintings of Venice (John Singer Sargent)	Symphony No. 9, "From the New World" (Antonín Dvořák)	"Rocket Needs a Home"	Rocket (introduction)	help rocket find a Home
"Jump for Joey"	Australian Aboriginal Art	Carmen - Toreodor March (Georges Bizet)	"Jump Joey Go"	Joey/Quincy	Help Joey the kangaroo to get to the animal show
"The Northern Night Light"	"Road from Saint-Siméon Farm in Winter" (Claude Monet)	Flight of the Bumblebee (Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov)	"Quincy's Silly Song"	Mommy and Baby Reindeer/Quincy	Find Baby Reindeer
"Oh Yes, Oh Yes, It's Springtime"	"Mountains and Rivers on the Kiso Road" (Utagawa Hiroshige)	The Four Seasons (Antonio Vivaldi)	"Springtime"	Baby Tulip/Quincy, Big Jet	Stop Big Jet From Ruining Spring
"A Tall Totem Tale"	Pacific Northwest Totem Poles	Orchestral Suite Number 2 in B Minor (Johann Sebastian Bach)	"Save Little Totem Pole"	Little Totem Pole/ Quincy	Get Little totem Pole Back to totem Pole forest
"The Incredible Shrinking Adventure"	"Sunflowers" (Vincent van Gogh)	The Four Seasons - Spring Allegro (Antonio Vivaldi)	"The Missing Piece"	The Missing Piece, Team	Find the Missing Piece to the Big and Small Machine
"Duck, Duck, June"	On the River Greta (John Atkinson Grimshaw)	Concerto No. 2 in E flat Major, K. 417 - Rondo (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart)	"Bring Ducky Home"	Ducky/June	bring Ducky Back home
"Rocket Safari"	Woodcuts - Rhinoceros and ?? (Albrecht Dürer)	Flight of the Bumblebee (Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov)	"find Animals, Help Rocket"	Bumblebee, Rocket	Help rocket Get out of the Waterfall
"Knock On Wood"	Pool in the Woods (George Inness)	Orchestral Suite Number 2 in B Minor (Johann Sebastian Bach)	"Find a Friend for Tapper"	Tapper the Woodpecker/Leo	Help Tapper find a friend
"A Galactic Goodnight"	"The Scream" (Edvard Munch)	Für Elise (Ludwig van Beethoven)	"The Planet Count"	The Solar System, Rocket	Help Rocket to fall asleep
"The Birthday Machine"	The Laurentian Library (Michelangelo)	Brandenburg Concerto Number 5 Movement Number 1 (Johann Sebastian Bach)	"The Machine's Movements	Books	Help building the Birthday Machine
Specials
"A Little Einsteins Halloween"	"September: Harvesting Grapes" (Limbourg brothers)	Peer Gynt Suite No. 1 - In the Hall of the Mountain King (Edvard Grieg)	To Be Confirmed	Instruments/Ghosts	Get enough candy for the Halloween party.
"A Little Einsteins Christmas"	"The Starry Night" (Vincent Van Gogh)	Für Elise (Ludwig van Beethoven)	"I Wish A Christmas Wish"	the wish boxes, Annie	Help Annie find her wish box
Movies
Our Big Huge Adventure	"Wheatfield with Cypresses" (Vincent van Gogh); "In the Hollow of a Wave off the Coast at Kanagawa" (Katsushika Hokusa); "Jeanne-Marguerite Lecadre in the Garden" (Claude Monet); Navajo Woven Art	Symphony No. 9 in D Minor, "Choral" - "Ode to Joy" (Ludwig van Beethoven)	"Buggy Wuggy"	Catterpillar/Butterfly, Annie	Mission 1: Help catterpillar get to the Tree of Many Colors Mission 2: Get butterfly to the Butterfly Family Party

Updating an external link

Alyssa Hoffel 19:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Since the link for www.littleeinsteins.com is actually going to http://disney.go.com/littleeinsteins/swf/main.html I thought this would be more appropriate and accurate. If that's cool with you, then I'd like to update that.

Doesn't really matter to me, either URL gets to the same place. Not sure why the first time you changed the link was reverted, but since it doesn't really make a difference in terms of the content the reader gets access to, it would seem pointless to get into an edit-war over it :-) FelineAvenger 03:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Alyssa Hoffel 21:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC) Thanks FelineAvenger! I definitely don't want to get into an edit war either. It seems kind of silly, so I thought I'd ask before I make another change.

Question about June

Is June Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc?

Japanese version is October starting.--Naohiro19(Talk Page/Contributions) 08:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

June is Japanese. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Question about Leo and Annie

Are Leo and Annie European, Australian, South African, etc?

Changes for Season 2

Would it be appropriate to list changes in Season 2? If so, where would it go? We have come up with:

• Annie's dress is now pink instead of blue.
• Annie pulls out a microphone when she sings.
• Rocket is now capable of going "superfast". This mode is activated by the kids patting faster and faster through Adagio, Moderato, Allegro, and finally Presto.
• Portraits of each show's featured composer and artist are shown alongside the music and the art.
• There is now a song (with words) during the curtain call.
• There is a "gimmick" at the very end of each show (e.g., pulling a rope to make popcorn, Quincy blowing something out of his tuba, etc.).
• The opening sequence is different than Season 1.

These are great observations. They should be noted on the episode in which they first appear. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

How are these changes properly noted if they are just observations? There is no source other than watching the shows.Grodney 00:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if it's the same in the original US version, but in the UK version of season two the childrens singing has become a lot less polished and in some instances is clearly off key. e.g. when Annie is singing about the puppet show the high note is so far off key that it makes me cringe. While mostly not as bad as that, the change in quality is fairly consistent, making me think it is an editorial decision. I can't imagine that they would 'accidentally' leave in off-key singing. Could this perhaps be to make the singing sound more like a real childs? --ThePaintedOne 17:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

One year older???

I took a look at the main characters, and the descriptions said that they are all one year older than their usual age. Is this right? Or should someone try to revert the edits? --Jonghyunchung 15:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Sub-headings for individual characters

Unless there is a significant amount of information for each of the characters, they really should just be a bulleted list and do not need their own sub-headings. Please do not insert sub-headings without introducing your rationale on the talk pages first and coming to consensus. Thanks. HokieRNB 18:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Someone (or someones) keep editing the page to add sub-headings that are unneccessary and to change the ages of the characters by adding one year to each. None of these edits have any edit summaries to explain their rationale, nor are they done by people who are logged in with usernames. Any future edits in the same vein should be summarily reverted, with appropriate warnings given, up to and including blocking said users (or IPs) for vandalism. Thanks. HokieRNB 00:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Criticism

Unfortunately, there was a recent unsuccessful attempt to add some necessary criticism to this article. I support such an addition, but it should be from well-referenced verifiable sources, not just the pinings of anonymous IP editor. If someone has come across a citation regarding the "Euro-centricity" of the show, or any other legitimate criticism, please find a way to add it constructively to the article. Thanks! HokieRNB 02:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

How about that they teach virtually no math or science, and when they do it's almost invariably incorrect (like the episode where they go to the top of a mountain so they can give a present to the moon)? This despite the fact that the show is named after a physicist. And their vehicle "Rocket" is not a rocket at all but a jet. If the show only intends to teach art and music, and ignore science to the extent that they actually teach nonsense, maybe they should have been named "Little Beethovens" or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.243.7 (talk) 18:13, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Parody

Should we put in the article that at the end of gintama episode 32,there's a parody of little einsteins?