Talk:Lists of Catholics

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Now how about a List of fictional Roman Catholics? (Keeps them from crayoning on the walls...) --Wetman 04:05, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This page is to big. It's a list of Catholics not biographies.

This list page has become absurd. Considering that Catholics (at least nominal ones) have constituted mote than 80% of classic Western art, significantly more than 60% of Western classical music and at least 50% of writers & scientists (possible exception is the inventors field)- this might turn into "Who is who ?" of Western culture. And this is the nail in the coffin of this list. Mir Harven 13:29, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

You're right we should break off some sections and start some new articles. Kind of like List of Jewish American writers does for Jews. Good idea. Thanks! Dwain 16:21, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah-writers, classical music composers, scientists, pop-culture etc. This list seems heavily bent on pop-culture & celebrities. Also, considering universalism of the Church, it would be wrong to break the categories further into national subcategories: "German Catholic" or "French Catholic"..Mir Harven 17:40, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

A modest proposal

Hm...I got a proposal. Since it's impossible to put the majority of Catholics in any field on any list, and since the obscurity of the subject tends to make a list hilariously nonsensical (for instance- Joseph Conrad and some aspiring English writer, on the same list- this is a joke), I'd suggest to break the list into more paragraphs. Or, if the list would pretend to be more detailed- then, a few more pages should be created (the Renaissance music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Renaissance_composers) is 90% Catholic, and to put all these people, plus Baroque, Romantic etc. composers-Catholics on a single page –this is virtually impossible). Also, I propose to retain the «fun nature» of this, because the enormity of the subject would make the list absurd. So- maybe a few different pages for writers, scientists, musicians,.., but to keep the list within some rational limits. Mir Harven 09:45, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I'd delete such a list. A list of baptised people? Really, makes no sense. Most lving people in the list wouldn't think of themselves as Roman Cat. either. --80.58.35.44 15:58, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

This list makes no sense. Where do we draw the line at who is Catholic? Everyone who is baptised? How about people who were baptised and later renounced their faith? How about members of sects that consider themselves Catholic but aren't considered Catholic by the Vatican? This is far too wide a category. It should either be deleted, or have its definition narrowed down. -- Ritchy, 24 July 2005

As I see it, the definition is simple. Catholics are people who:

• are baptized as such
• may have given up their faith-but have not embraced any other (Buddhism, Judaism, Islam,..)
• converts from other faiths

So, Catholics are people once baptized in the Catholic Church who have not explicitely "crossed over" into some other faith. They may have become atheists or indifferent, but- this doesnt matter. Mir Harven 18:11, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Who qualifies ?

Let me repeat. Catholics are people:

• who were baptized & stayed within RCC (say, Gregory Peck)
• who converted (say, Graham Greene)
• who converted on death-bed (say, Buffalo Bill)
• who were baptized, but eventually became atheists, agnostics or simply indifferent (say, James Joyce)

Catholics are not:

• people converted from Catholicism to some other faith (say, John Travolta)
• people who converted once, but eventually either «returned» to their original faith or adopted some other (say, Ben Jonson) Mir Harven 18:44, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Since there is no clear-cut threshold of a person's belief and/or orthodoxy, Catholics are the above mentioned except:

• converts to other faiths
• Catholic converts who reverted
• Catholics who officially left the RCC (their later (non)religious life is not the issue here).

Other than that- atheists like Joseph Conrad, quasi-Swedenborgians like Honore de Balzac or Masons like Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart remain Catholics. The list just lists those who are technically "Catholic" & is not a detection apparatus nor a gauge of authenticity of intensity of their beliefs (they may believe in Martians, Flat Earth or whatever they wish). Mir Harven 08:53, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

VfD nomination

This page was recently nominated for deletion and kept through default of no consensus being reached. The archived discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of Roman Catholics -- Francs2000 | Talk 02:28, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Old West etc.

I know this small part is essentially insignificant- but I kinda like Buffalo Bill and Black Elk and comp. But, farnkly: I got no idea of a new list that would contain them. Adventurers ? Along with Cortez and similar persons ? Hmm...Maybe Chief Joseph should go to military leaders ? Be as it may, he's got more in common with, say, generals and field marshalls than with alcoholic murderers like Wild Bill Longley. Then, what with W.T. Sherman and other military figures who had not been "leaders" like Napoleon and Charlemagne ? Mir Harven 17:44, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Articles for Deletion debate

This article survived an Articles for Deletion debate. The discussion can be found here. -Splash^talk 04:33, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Requested move 17 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved as requested. Dekimasuよ! 01:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

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Lists of Roman Catholics → Lists of Catholics – Per WP:CONSISTENCY with most equivalent articles in Category:Lists of Roman Catholics. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:34, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support. Hyperbolick (talk) 17:35, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

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