Talk:List of youngest killers

Amardeep Sada

I have no idea how to edit these tables. Could someone please add an entry on Amardeep Sada? http://murderpedia.org/male.S/s/sada-amardeep.htm, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/01/india.randeepramesh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.184.86.137 (talk) 13:27, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Many more under 10

A random 8 y.o.: http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/9320428/8-year-old-charged-with-two-counts-of-first-degree-murder/ Zezen (talk) 20:32, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Should't Dimitrios Pagourtzis be on here?

The Santa Fe School Shooter should be on this list, he was 17 when he killed 10 injured 13 at Santa Fe High School. It's surprising he's not on here considering he has been confirmed as the shooter, though i guess it makes sense since the other teens who killed numerous either died or had their trial, still would be a good idea adding him to the list YatesTucker00090 (talk) 06:18, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Morgan and Anissa

I noticed that too. It was attwmpted murder not murder as well as Jamarion lawhorn a 12 year old killer from Kent coumty Michigan is not listed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C:600:2C94:8DA1:1433:B38F:F397 (talk) 17:44, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

It was attempted murder, Peyton (Bella), the girl they stabbed 19 times survived.Idk why they’re on there if they didn’t kill anyone, I mean ig they tried to...but they didn’t succeed Zoey mason (talk) 00:03, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Latest edition

Hello! I edited the whole article trying to make it easier to edit the tables. I hope this helps. Some minor errors were also fixed. Agente Rolf (talk) 04:35, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Unnamed UK boy

One of the killers on the list had very little information, so I decided that at least one source should cite the case. It was thus listed:

Name	Date of birth	Date of killing(s)	Age at time of murder(s)	Location	Country	Killed	Injured	Penalty of perpetrator(s)	Current status of perpetrator(s)	Ref.
Unnamed boy	1989	2001	12	Undisclosed	United Kingdom	1	0		Arrested

Searching the information on the Internet, the only related case I found was that of an autistic boy who killed his brother in Bristol. The case was only reported in 2001, but the murder was in 2000 when he was 12 years old. With this data, I changed this part. If anyone finds out that this is another case, you may feel free to add it to the list. Agente Rolf (talk) 02:27, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

No, you're all good but the aftermath is unclear, not shown by news sources, whether he was convicted. He's probably incarerated. Cookfoodchef1 (talk) 00:12, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Scope of this page

Moved from User talk:Suffusion of Yellow § Edits on the List of youngest killers

 – Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:09, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello! I have seen that you made some edits to the list. I have no disagreement with most of them except the one you say 'according to source was possibly an accident'. Nothing on the list says that only those who committed incidental deaths should be there, so by 'killers' I understand that all those who have caused a death, accidental or not, can be there. Perhaps this is something to be discussed by the community. Tell me what you think! Agente Rolf (talk) 21:25, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

@Agente Rolf: I don't think there's anything exceptional about kids accidentally killing each other; should we include a two year old climbing on a dresser and tipping it on to another kid, for example? Or a child knocking loose a parking brake?

Of course you raise an important question: what is this page all about? I have no idea. We're including 15-17 year olds. Why? There must be millions of people of that age who have killed others, throughout history, at least if you include wartime. These aren't the "youngest". A strictly correct title of this page, in its current form, would be List of persons under 18 whose acts of killing were sensationalist enough to be reported by the media.

In the meantime, priority number one is cleaning this list of those who have been only charged, and not convicted, and any unsourced entries that I missed. WP:BLP is not just a suggestion, folks! Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:09, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

@Suffusion of Yellow: I have seen you got the point. I also 'don't think there's anything exceptional about kids accidentally killing each other' as you said, and that was one of the reasons I made my comment. For the 'Why?,' some things I can point out for this list are: the fact that, as sensational or bizarre as it may seem, it serves as a study for criminology, so it has its encyclopedic importance; homicides committed by minors under 18 are on the list because most countries in the world have the age of majority at 18 and the division of tables of minors under 12 and children between 13 and 17 is due to the criminal age applied by most countries.

I totally agree that the name of the article needs to be changed to better focus the subject of it (not by the sarcastic title you mentioned, haha!). I think we need to just focus on charged and convicted criminals. Just a suggestion: a new name to the page could be List of documented convicted murderers under 18-years-old. Agente Rolf (talk) 11:53, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

The title of this page is an oxymoron and that makes it misleading. There can only be one youngest killer, so there cannot be a list. I think what the list is trying to identify people under the age of 18 (children?) who caused the death of another person, ranked by age. To say a person is a "killer" is not a neutral point of view. To restrict the list to murderers and exclude accidental death is valid but then you have to exclude anyone not charged with a culpable homicide or not criminally responsible, which I don't think is the point of the list. - 203.96.84.33 (talk) 22:09, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Birthday of the killer in the Feb. 29, 2000 shooting

I have removed the birthday of the killer (who may or may not be named "Dedrick Owens" (see this talk page thread from December 2019 for more information)) as it appears to be unsourced. After 20 minutes of Google searching, I confirmed the hard way that the boy was never publicly identified. All of the sources that mention "Dedrick" for the boy, not the father, are newer than 2007 and probably took Wikipedia's word for it. Does anyone know if any sources exist for the "May 5, 1993" birth date? 173.76.246.128 (talk) 20:46, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Untitled

It pains me that Daniel Pesseghini is in this list. Anyone familiar with the case can tell you that the boy was obviously framed, as his parents were both honest police officers about to reveal a big corruption scandal in the force (which is extremely common in Brazil). The story that the police made up makes absolutely no sense. Daniel was murdered alongside his parents and framed for the killings, but everything was just covered up and they made up some bullshit about how Assassin's Creed made him kill his parents. Pitiful 170.83.92.128 (talk) 20:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

It's reliably sourced, and this talk page is not a forum for your personal opinions. 20:54, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

My personal opinions? Anyone who followed this case even remotely closely knows the boy was framed. The official story that he killed his parents is reliably sourced because the same police that his parents were investigating were the ones to rule Daniel as the killer, with a ridiculous story that any brazilian who had access to the internet or TV knows is bogus. He's "reliably sourced" as a murdered because journalists didn't want to dig deeper into it and end up dead themselves, as it has happened many times in the past. 170.83.92.128 (talk) 22:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

You are all talk and no reliable sources. Either provide the sources or stop soapboxing your personal opinions here. Wikipedia requires that all content is verifiable with reliable sources, and you making claims here is not a reliable source. I could easily makes thousands of claims with nothing to back them up, but that's not the way Wikipedia works. If you can't accept that, you don't belong here. Sundayclose (talk) 22:48, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Updates on some entries, corrections and tweakings of info on others

please add the following corrections and tweakings of info on the following entries.

Nathaniel Abraham was arrested and sentenced to juvenile detention until his 21st birthday, convicted of more crimes committed as an adult, such as assault of an officer and drug possession.

Elmer Wayne Henley was actually 15 years and 10 months and 15 days when he was born on May 9, 1956 not February 27, 1956 it says so right there in his article.

Courtney Schulhoff was not arrested and imprisoned until her 21st birthday, she is still imprisoned because she was originally sentenced to life without parole but her sentence has now been reduced to 40 years.

James Ellison Rouse was actually 17 not 16 and he was born in 05/08/1978 according to this https://apps.tn.gov/foil-app/details.jsp.

someone please fix that now.--Kinkel Loukaitis Brazill (talk) 22:54, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

• Kinkel Loukaitis Brazill, everyone here has the same status as you. Everyone here is a volunteer. If something troubles you, fix it. 174.212.223.19 (talk)

References

He can’t fix it because it is blocked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1010:B11B:830F:B07E:3373:163B:B590 (talk) 23:11, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

The page is protected because of sockpuppets of Cadeken, like you. Sundayclose (talk) 03:33, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Even if he is a sock puppet those edits are still valid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbaro Reyes Cho (talk • contribs) 17:27, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2020

Nawaf Al Fifi 4year old boy in saudi arabia killed 1 person197.185.108.219 (talk) 08:01, 25 December 2020 (UTC) 197.185.108.219 (talk) 08:01, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

• Please provide a specific source, not the name of something. 174.212.223.19 (talk) 08:04, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

References

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Terasail^[✉] 23:09, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2020

change first unnamed boy to Nawaf Al Fifi ,the 4yaer old who killed 1 person in Saudi Arabia197.185.108.219 (talk) 08:07, 25 December 2020 (UTC) 197.185.108.219 (talk) 08:07, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: As above, please provide a link to the specific source that discusses this - for example, a specific news article about these events. Simply linking to a news organization is insufficient. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 15:32, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

I think this is what the person was talking about Seantseng918 (talk) 03:23, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

References

New information for the tables

Perhaps we should add a new column to these tables ... one for "victim" or "relationship to victim" or some such. It's rather unique / uncommon to have a killer of such young age (as this article details) ... so, it might be interesting to see who precisely their selected victims are (parents, siblings, classmates, random stranger, baby "sittee", etc.). Thoughts? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:47, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Additional Editing

Can you place Herbert Nicholls Jr, one unnamed boy age 11 in Tennessee who shot an 8 year old boy over a puppy in late 2015, William Hereins, and Vladmir. Cookfoodchef1 (talk) 20:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2021

Name: Benjamin Tiller Date of birth: 2004 Date of killing(s): October 3, 2015 Age at time of killing(s): 11 Location: White Pine, Tennessee Country: United States Killed: 1 Injured: 0 Penalty of perpetrator(s): Arrested and sentenced to be held in a youth facility until age 19. Current status of perpetrator(s): Incarerated Ref.

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/news/a36833/11-year-old-kills-neighbor/

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/10/makayla-dyer-national-rifle-association-child-shooting/ Cookfoodchef1 (talk) 21:07, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: The requirement is to have an article which meets WP:GNG about this person. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

William Heirens

Name: William Heirens Date of birth: November 15, 1928 Date of killing(s): June 5, 1945- January 7, 1946 Age at time of killing(s): 16 years, 6 months, 330 days- 17 years, 1 months, 332 days Location: Chicago, Illinois Country: United States Killed: 3 Injured: 1 Penalty of perpetrator(s): Sentenced to three consecutive sentences. Status of perpetrator(s): Deceased. Cookfoodchef1 (talk) 21:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Curtis Jones

Curtis Jones was born on May 31, 1986, not 1987. Cookfoodchef1 (talk) 23:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Anna bell

I found a few sources for Anna Bell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.83.158 (talk) 05:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

References

Anna Bell killed at 11?

Some sources any Anna Bell killed a baby when she was 11 but was cleared because of her age. Is this correct? Cookfoodchef1 (talk) 21:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Catherine Jones

If Curtis Jones is on here why isn't his sister Catherine on here too considering they both are juvenile murderers?--73.235.180.215 (talk) 07:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2021

I request that Dedrick Owens of the United States be added for murdering his fellow six year old classmate in the year 2000 107.77.253.41 (talk) 16:57, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:11, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2022

202.164.136.127 (talk) 10:33, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Write the name of boy who killed when he was 3 years

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:04, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2022

Nathan Ferris was a 12 year old boy. He stole his father's .45 caliber pistol. He had taken it to school, which resulted in him killing one of his classmates before he turned the gun on himself on March 2, 1987. It is said that Nathan was overweight and was always being bullied around school. Cryptid.hunter.sam (talk) 01:48, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 03:38, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

shouldn't Paris Bennett be here (not the singer)

in February 2007 13-year-old Paris Bennett killed his 4-year-old by stabbing here 17 times with a knife in his mothers in Texas he will be given the possibility of parole in 2027 source's here [1][2][3] 208.58.196.210 (talk) 22:09, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Retta McCabe

I think I added the new text correctly, but just in case I didn't the website is [4]https://www.loc.gov/resource/sn83030180/1897-10-31/ed-1/?sp=37&st=text&r=0.028,0.936,0.384,0.327,0 and the first part of the newspaper article says it happened in Troy. Thank you. 199.68.201.65 (talk) 19:29, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

It also says it happened October 30th, how do I cite the source on the page and fix the hyperlinks? [5]https://www.loc.gov/resource/sn83030180/1897-10-31/ed-1/?sp=37&st=text&r=0.028,0.936,0.384,0.327,0 199.68.201.65 (talk) 19:34, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Shouldn't Christopher Churchill be on this list?

Churchill was 16 when he murdered five people BTW it says he was born on 19/12/1981 on his inmate info

Teen Sentenced for 5 Killings | AP News - [6]https://apnews.com/article/0f881d971be85aef24bb8e6d798971a7

Illinois man serving life sentences for killings could be resentenced (14news.com) -[7]https://www.14news.com/story/31727687/illinois-man-serving-life-sentences-for-killings-could-be-resentenced/ External Links Library (talk) 02:25, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

This page is reckless and has little reason to exist

A wide detailed catelog of "young killers", almost all of whom killed without intention, serves no purpose other than for morbid fascination. A major reformatting or a simple deletion to reduce the risk of "encouragment" to young, perhaps deranged readers would be appropriate. 90.247.227.132 (talk) 00:28, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

stop naming kosta krsmanović as "unnamed boy"

he is guilty of his actions, change it to his name. there is no justification for his actions. 2001:16B8:8C:4B00:41AB:D18A:B639:1A42 (talk) 19:52, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2023

Change the "Unnamed Boy" in the section for the Vladislav Ribnikar Elementary School Shooting, to "Kosta Kecmanovic", the name of the actual shooter Nugator3000 (talk) 14:27, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: per the polices relating to people accused of crime and writing about minors. Tollens (talk) 15:01, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

George Green murder is uncited

(I'm not a frequent wiki contributor please excuse me.) I tried to learn more about the listed George Green murder but the citation link is dead. I can't find any other mention on the internet. If the listing is valid it needs a new cite. If it can't be cited, y'all decide whether it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.11.113.122 (talk) 22:35, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I found a valid cite:

https://books.google.com/books?id=OSmWqC5-gPMC&pg=PA177&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false

I am not comfortable making Wiki edits. I will leave this here and hope someone more competent makes the edit. 173.11.113.122 (talk) 22:51, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

On the youngest "killer"

Here's the source listed in the youngest supposed "killer", in Norwegian. It confirms that a 1-year-old girl indeed did shoot her mother dead, but could this really be considered a "killing"? Her father left the loaded gun in the room, she picked it up and threw it on the floor, where it went off and shot her mother dead. That's not really a "killing", is it? Maybe killing by negligence on the father's side but the 1-year-old child obviously had no way of knowing what the gun even is, let alone what it's capable of doing. It's an accident, not a killing. The article itself clearly says: "youngest people confirmed by reliable sources to have deliberately killed another human being". Don't really think this belongs in the article, I'll take it out until further notice. AgeOfPlastic (talk) 22:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2024

cancellation of flags 2.49.70.134 (talk) 19:30, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 19:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

12-year old shooter in Viertola 2 April

Just today 2 April we got news in Finland that a 12-year old boy killed 1 and injured 2 of his classmates with a gun. It happened in Viertola, Vantaa after 9 o'clock in the morning EEST. This needs to be added. Kattint (talk) 20:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Birth years with ? Place holders

For the birthdates that have the ? place holder but also have the age the crime was committed and the date the crime occurred couldn't someone (in general) just subtract the age the crime was committed from the date the crime occurred to get the approximant birth year? A Bea Esser (talk) 20:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)Bea

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2024

Jon Venables Age 10 & Robert Thompson Age 10 killed 1 Toddler boy aged 2 in 1993 in Bootle United kingdom Both arrested for 8 years in juice Jon Venables is currently back behind bars and Robert Thompson is now Living under a new identity

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ⸺(Random)staplers 19:28, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

See discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability#Notability and youngest people. Absolutiva (talk) 01:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

At that discussion, I have suggested removing all teenagers from this list, as thousands of teenagers kill someone each year (e.g., [8]). WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)