Talk:List of visitors to the International Space Station

Update needed after Discovery flight

Update needed after Discovery flight. Kember 01:07, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Updated for July 2006 flight. Rmhermen 16:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Mixed nationalities

Today, an anonymous user from Tokyo has placed an Australian flag at Andy Thomas’ name. It is true that he grew up in Australia, but it was as an US-citizen he flew in space.

What do my fellow Wikipedians believe; should we place flags of people’s countries of birth, and cloud the nationality information, or should we only show the flag of their citizenship at the time of space flight?--Necessary Evil 12:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I removed it - he was not a dual citizen. Rmhermen 17:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I think we should keep the dual flag to pinpoint the nationality of the person's profile, this is the only way to keep accuracy, if you have sure somebody is NOT A DUAL CITIZEN, please update HIS / HER profile with that information too Onsly 10:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that dual flags should be kept next to their name. I am re-adding Andy Thomas' Australian flag unless Rmhermen (or another user) can provide documentation that he is not an Australian citizen. If he was born and raised in Australia, then naturalization laws should have made him an Australian citizen. Irregulargalaxies (talk) 18:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

The government of Kazakhstan officially regards Aubakirov and Musabayev as their cosmonauts № 1 and № 2 exclusively because of their ethnic origin forgetting that Shatalov, Patsayev, Viktorenko, Lonchakov were the natives of Kazakhstan too. Furthermore, Aubakirov and Musabayev were Soviet (later Russian) Air Force officers and could not be foreigners by definition. Aubakirov carried out his spaceflight in 1991, before Kazakhstan got independence. As for Musabayev, he has got Kazakhstan sitizenship only last year (2007), when was retired from Russian Forces. It is obviously that Aubakirov and Musabayev should be considered as Soviet and Russian cosmonauts (or even primarily). I believe that the nation of any astronaut in space statistics is determined by his sitizenship at the moment of the spaceflight but not his birthplace, former or current residence and ethnic origin. In my opinion, the country that sent cosmonaut to space is more essential criterion than present-day address which can change scores of time. Eugene SPB (talk) 23:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Spaceflight participants??

Is spaceflight participant a new type of political correctness?? All the International Space Station visitors are spaceflight participants. A tourist has paid for his/her trip, no matter what scientific research they have conducted. Necessary Evil 19:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for changing this to 'tourist' which seems to be the term commonly used to describe this class of spacefarer. Sometimes, though, 'tourist' might be used with some slight amount of derision. I wonder if 'passenger' might help avoid that pitfall? Sdsds 18:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Anyone not controlling a space craft is a passenger. Christer Fuglesang was conducting several space walks, and is in my opinion an astronaut, but in "your" opinion a passenger. Isn't the derision, regarding space tourist, just understandable envy from all of us ;-) Happy 2007 Necessary Evil 00:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Bold Names

I think there is NO NEED to bold any person WHO IS NOT in the space right now, everbody is important in your own way. Onsly 11:06, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

The idea is (if this page was updated) that readers quickly can find out who is currently onboard etc.

Regarding the {{JAP}}, {{RUS}}..., they are often useful, but not here; the names of the countries are clotting the facts, the images of the flags aren't. Necessary Evil 20:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

You are right about my idea, I just can't understaind why do you back all the BOLD names. I still think we're giving TOO MUCH emphasys to usefull information, the people just need to show who is onbord of the station right now. Onsly 14:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The bold names are to distinguish between short-time visitors and long-time visitors (ISS-crew members).

The (presently on board) shows who's onboard the station right now. (If it was updated).

Your double flag is a good idea, some editors were wondering; wasn't there an Iranian tourist etc. --Necessary Evil 10:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

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NASA or wikipedia?

interesting. From STS-126 "During the Mission Status briefing, ISS Deputy Program Manager Kirk Shireman noted the upcoming ten-year anniversary of the International Space Station. Shireman reviewed the progress and advancements that have come from the project, and reviewed some of the major milestones. Thirty Progress vehicles have visited the station, seventeen Soyuz vehicles, twenty-seven shuttles, and one Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV). One hundred sixty-four people have visited the station from fourteen nations, and on Thursday, the tenth anniversary, Shireman said the station will have orbited the Earth 57,509 times, for a total distance of over 1.3 billion miles.[41]" But funnily, we have 167 people listed from 15 countries. Personally, I trust this page more than the numbers NASA PAO rounds up. Still, this is one more reason that we need references for this article, so that we can be sure. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 22:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

164 people must be prior to STS-126's docking but the 14 nations is strange. If it was more than 15 I could have understod it (Kazakhstan, Iran, UK, Australia, Peru...). --Regards, Necessary Evil (talk) 00:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, my refs should confirm all 167 unique visitors and all double and triple visits. Unless some of the early astronauts did not ENTER the station (for which i could find no evidence), NASA simply was mistaken. I referenced by launchevent, and the amount of refs (44) matches the number of flights on List of human spaceflights to the ISS. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Given NASA's discomfort with space tourists, perhaps Shireman did not have them in his counts. Rillian (talk) 16:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

South Africa only participated with a space tourist so it's perhaps the missing country? --Regards, Necessary Evil (talk) 17:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Richard Garriott

I thought he was joint British-American, does this not change the list of nationalities? thanks --Tukogbani (talk) 22:27, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Sortable table

I believe that a sortable table is fine. 193.174.105.66's table has got some imperfections. The references shouldn't have its own column and "Currently on the ISS" should be replaced by a "details" column with "space tourist" and "currently on the ISS". A column with number of ISS crew memberships and a column with total ISS visits would come in handy. Furthermore the "m" and "f" in the "Sex" column is crude. --Regards, Necessary Evil (talk) 23:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Not I, and saying some imperfections is definitely downplaying the issues. Firstly, being able to select by alphabetical order (re all the As together) is valuable in my opinion. The suggested table removes such ability, as well as the running count of the visitors. I also agree with the issues with how the columns are presented regarding the details. Also, purely using flags is not acceptable with a table and should be augmented by the nation as well if that route is taken. I am also in agreement with the crude remarks, any column should not be filled by a single letter. On the sex issue I am of the mind that we should retain the current female symbol () even if a table were implemented. Perhaps if a table were implemented for each letter, not a single table that encompasses every visitor, then perhaps I would be more enthusiastic. I would also argue for the keeping of the bolded names for ISS crew. -MBK₀₀₄ 23:55, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

For a comparison the German Wikipedia uses a sortable table de:Liste der Raumfahrer auf der Internationalen Raumstation. Bolded names for ISS crewmembers is a must. --Regards, Necessary Evil (talk) 07:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Concerning MBK004's criticisms:

• being able to select by alphabetical order (re all the As together) is valuable in my opinion. -- I may be missing something, but it is perfectly possible to select and copy text from the table. What do you mean?
• The suggested table removes the running count of the visitors. -- Could you elaborate on that? What do you mean by running count?
• if a table were implemented for each letter, not a single table that encompasses every visitor, then perhaps I would be more enthusiastic. -- I think this would kill a big benefit of the proposed table: In the table, you can click a column and instantly see a list of all the females, all tourists, all crew, and so on. Breaking up the table would make that impossible. --84.130.111.83 (talk) 15:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I think the table proposal was a good idea, but not well executed. Summarizing the above comments of Necessary Evil and MBK004, I suggest the following improvements to the table:

• Remove "references" column, put them next to the astronaut's name
• Merge the columns "Currently on ISS" and "Crew/visitor/tourist". The new column would contain: "tourist", "visitor", "crew (current)", "crew (former)"
• Use bold for the names of current and former crew
• Replace "m" and "f" with and
• For astronaut names, use the format {{SortKey|Acaba, Joseph Michael|[[Joseph Michael Acaba]]}} so that they get sorted by last name (a great idea from the German wikipedia)
• For nations, use the format {{SortKey|Russia|{{flagicon|Russia}}}} (see German wikipedia)

What do you think of the table proposal with these changes? Once discussion reaches a consensus, I would be willing to do the work. --84.130.111.83 (talk) 15:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

While the design is open I'll suggest a column with "ISS-Expedition memberships" with hyperlinks. The "visitor" label is odd, all of them are visitors! I'll prefer "Currently on ISS" and "tourist" in the "remarks" or something column - and a lot of void cells. --Regards, Necessary Evil (talk) 21:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I've done some work on the first table, I think Arrivals is the least ambiguous term, it's clear. Also, some of them are still up there, yes ? I think the Germans have the best table for names, but it would be easiest to do by dumping cites in this article and relying on the links to each individuals article, which is not a problem for me. If it is a problem for anyone else, just D.I.Y. otherwise I might do it on my next visit if people are cool with that. It may not be exactly as you wish at first, so just attack it after it's arrival with extra columns or whatever. Penyulap _talk 16:00, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Male/Female Distinction

Is there any particular reason for the inclusion of a female designation for female astronauts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.37.69.7 (talk) 07:39, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I guess this is meant to show the under-represantion scarcity of female Cosmonauts/Astronauts. Tony Mach (talk) 10:29, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

It really does make the list look clunky, both because there is no matching male indicator for the male astronauts, and because a coloured image is used rather than the ♀ symbol. At a glance it makes look like the flag of some strange additional nationality. Frankly, I think using F/M would probably be less obtrusive and more readable than using the roman symbols ♀/♂, though some on this talk page say using simple letters rather than the Roman symbols is "crude" for some unexplained reason.

The alternative would be to just leave it out entirely; specifying the sex of all visitors to anything seems rather bizarre when you stop to think about it; we do not do this for the list of Challenger Deep visitors for example. 72.49.7.18 (talk) 06:57, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

What is "one double flight"?

The text of the article offers (at least for me) no answer to the question: What is "one double flight"? What exactly is a "double flight"? Ditto for "eight double, four triple and one quadruple flight" and so on.

There seems to be something in the text about this ("twice, thrice") that may or may not explain that phrase, but I either I am too thick to understand it, or the text is written only for people who are already "in the know".

Could anybody be so nice and elaborate on this, so that more people like me understand the meaning of that phrase? Tony Mach (talk) 10:25, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Better late than never! Belgium has one double flight, which means that a Belgian (Frank De Winne) has visited the ISS twice. Russia has nine double, four triple and two quadruple flights, which means that nine Russians have visited the ISS twice, four Russians have visited the ISS thrice and two Russians have been there four times. 27 Russians have visited the International Space Station once, so the Russian Flights are calculated like this: 27+9×2+4×3+2×4=65.

If "one double flight" is confusing, then feel free to change it to "one double flyer" or something. --Regards, Necessary Evil (talk) 18:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

CNES

I have the impression that Philippe Perrin flew as CNES and not as ESA. So he should not be in the ESA total. 83.163.5.82 (talk) 21:52, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

You're quite right. According to esa.int then "In December 2002, Perrin joined the ESA European Astronaut Corps". Since he flew June 5-19 2002 his agency was CNES, and not ESA. Keep up the good work 83.163.5.82 --Regards, Necessary Evil (talk) 22:48, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Commented-out JAXA logo

Why was the JAXA logo commented out from the agencies table ? I've checked the main article on the Japanese agency and there doesn't seem to be a problem with using its logo there. Is the copyright license for the logo too restrictive for it to be included in the table ? --ZemplinTemplar (talk) 11:09, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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Tourists only links to Space Adventures

I know for certain that Axiom has also done tourist flights to the ISS, yet the table row heading for tourists links only to Space Adventures. Should Axiom and Space Adventures be in separate agency rows, or is the intent to have them share the Tourists heading? 72.49.7.18 (talk) 06:34, 2 October 2023 (UTC)