Talk:List of vessels built at Crichton-Vulcan and Wärtsilä Turku shipyards

Proposal to expand and modify the list

First of all, thank you for starting this colossal work that has been on my list of things that should be done for a while. However, I propose that we turn the list into something like what I did for List of ships built at Hietalahti shipyard: include all former and current names, IMO number (perhaps with the template so that provides a link to MarineTraffic), ship status, photograph (if available) and notes about the ship's career. Furthemore, we should probably include the ships that are in the same "lineage": after all, Meyer Turku uses the same yard number series, so we don't have to stop to Wärtsilä's bankruptcy. Do we know which ships were delivered from Aurajoki and which ships from Perno? That could be a natural "split" for the list (and help with the naming - List of ships built at Perno shipyard and List of ships built at Aurajoki shipyard, or whatever is the official English name of the old Crichton-Vulcan site), though we may have to split it further so that the table doesn't become too long (I chose 200 ships per page on the Hietalahti list).

I can start the work as a draft in my own namespace. I don't see it becoming ready anytime soon as I need to dig quite deep into databases etc. to get all the data.

What do you think?

Tupsumato (talk) 07:20, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is not easy to split the list between the shipyards. The first hull assembled at Perno yard was NB 1229 Gas Rising Sun. The bow and stern sections were produced at Turku yard (Crichton-Vulcan). I don't know the launching date, but it was presumably in late 1976 or 1977. The hull was tugged to Turku yard for outfitting and handed over in September 1978, one year late from schedule. The following vessels were outfitted at Turku yard between April 1976 to January 1978: NB1220, NB1222 and NB1223; hulls for NB1238–1241 were subcontracted from Navire Luonnonmaa yard between 17 December 1975 to 13 August 1977 and also these ones were finished at Turku yard. Hulls of NB1247 Viking Saga, NB1248 Viking Song, NB1251 Finlandia and NB1252 Silvia Regina were built at Perno yard; the two first ones were outfitted at Turku yard but I don't know about the two latter ones; Perno yard reached the full production ability in 1979, after which the vessels could be built there from start to finish. In the meantime, Turku yard produced modules which were transported to Perno, but also hulls for NB1242–1245. The outfitting work was presumably done in Turku as well. The last hull produced at Turku yard was NB1249 Rosella, launched on 14 August 1979 and handed over on 25 April 1980. In the same year the outfitting department was decided to be moved entirely to Perno; this took place in autumn 1982. Turku yard focused on ship repair thereafter. Engineering and Sales Departments left the White House for Perno in 1986; the last department to move was Outfitting Engineering in August 1988.

Crichton-Vulcan is probably the most distinguishing name for the old yard. It was renamed to Wärtsilä Turku Shipyard in 1965. When the new shipyard was built, the organisation was renamed Wärtsilä Turku Shipyards. Colloquially the different premises were known as Turku yard and Perno yard. When Wärtsilä Marine was established in 1987, the organisation in Turku was renamed Wärtsilä Marine Turku Shipyard. The namechange created of course confusion. The new yard was still called Perno yard and the old yard was known as repair yard, Vulcan, river-bank yard etc.

If the list shall be split, I suggest dividing it according to the organisations which have handed the ships over:

Ab Crichton-Vulcan Oy (NB701–745)
Wärtsilä Group Crichton-Vulcan (NB746–1131)
Wärtsilä Turku Shipyard (NB1132–1208)
Wärtsilä Turku Shipyards (NB1209–1291)
Wärtsilä Marine Turku Shipyard (NB1292–1297; NB1302–1308; NB1310; NB1311).

Regarding further information and photos of the ships, I would keep it minimal. Even with just 200 vessels the lists are exhaustive to scroll especially when the screen is small. It is the best if each ship has got just one row of text, in special cases two rows. If pictures and information shall be added, in my opinion they should be in hidden fields which can be clicked open; the list would be easy to browse and give a better overview.

--Gwafton (talk) 17:55, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The reason why I want to make the list more "informative" is that for many ships it would be the only place where e.g. former names, years in service, IMO number etc. would be presented — most are not notable enough to warrant a dedicated article. Hiding some of the more complex fields is a good idea, as well as the split between different companies instead of locations. I'm sure someone from WP:SHIPS can help with the technical side.

I'll work in my own namespace with a draft and we can see if it's worth including in the "live" version. Even if we decide to maintain the current format, I "need" an up-to-date reference of all ships with "Turku yard numbers", similar to the one I've created about Hietalahti.

Tupsumato (talk) 17:06, 14 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it would be nice to include some data about such ships which are not worth of an own article. I'm looking forward seeing your draft. Let me know if you need additional information from the sources I have used for making the list. --Gwafton (talk) 11:54, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]