Talk:List of unsolved murders (before 1900)

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Section size for List of unsolved murders (before 1900) (4 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	222	222
Before 1800	11,485	11,485
1800s	26,729	26,729
References	228	228
Total	38,664	38,664

Well, duh!

This is a list of unsolved murders (it's right there in the name), it is therefor rather silly (putting it nicely) how many of these listings say "her murderer was never caught", "it remains unsolved to this day", and such. I plan on rewriting this in the next day or so, but if anybody else wants to give it a crack before I can get to it, go for it. --Khajidha (talk) 12:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Bravo's murder remains unsolved. Could be added to this list. Anlegov (talk) 10:41, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --Syzygy (talk) 11:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All pre-19th century murders

The entire section "Before the 19th century" should be drastically trimmed. There are far too many archaeological and anthropological instances where not only the prospect of them ever being "solved" is moot but even the use of the term "murder" potentially doubtful. All of the bog bodies and similar are not helpful. The only remaining ones in this section should be the ones that there is some historical documentation for, e.g., Wenceslaus III of Bohemia, or Sir Edmund Berry Godfrey. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll kick all the bog bodies with just a generic mention to this type of killings. --Syzygy (talk) 11:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Someone saw a need to duplicate the better part of the List of bog bodies here. I removed most of them and restored just a short description of what bog bodies are, plus three example, which should be enough. --Syzygy (talk) 09:11, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've once again gone through the pre-19th century part of the list and cut a bunch of cases where there is either no consensus that any murder took place, or (in the case of Agrippina the Younger) the murder is not really unsolved in any meaningful way. I'm also sceptical about the inclusion of Caesarion: our article on him calls the death an "execution", and at any rate we know that it was ordered by Octavian - is that an unsolved murder? Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:54, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 October 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to requested title. As mentioned in the proposal and reiterated by others, this is a slight rescoping so the Goebel murder will be moved accordingly. (closed by non-admin page mover) BegbertBiggs (talk) 22:10, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of unsolved murders (before the 20th century) → List of unsolved murders (before 1900) – The following cutoff is List of unsolved murders (1900–1979), which means the murder of William Goebel could theoretically be duplicated as it occurred in exactly 1900. (As it so happens, Goebel's murder is not listed on the other page anyway, but it's the thought that counts.) O.N.R. ^(talk) 16:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move to List of unsolved murders (pre-1900). Rreagan007 (talk) 19:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support the move back to this article's original title before an undiscussed move in 2020, just for better consistency with List of unsolved murders (1900–1979), List of unsolved murders (1980–1999), and List of unsolved murders (2000–present), although I don't think it would be a big deal if Goebel were listed twice. Not opposed to the alt proposed above but don't see any benefit to that over the proposal. Station1 (talk) 19:48, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Technically the 20th century began in 1901! -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:56, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And the 1900s started in 1900. A round number is better to use in the disambiguator here. Rreagan007 (talk) 04:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. It started in 1900. Your first year of life started at birth, not when you celebrated your first birthday. Killuminator (talk) 22:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is an extremely common and annoying dispute and I agree with @Rreagan007's proposal that rounding up the number is a better disambiguator. Killuminator (talk) 22:36, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is. Very annoying. Someone's life is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the 1st century AD obviously began in AD 1 (given there was no AD 0, or indeed 0 BC) and the century has begun in that way ever since. It's called logic (since the 1st century clearly didn't have one year less than every other century since). People in 1900/1901 understood that. People in 2000/2001 had largely forgotten it. But I don't object to rounding the number. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:17, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.