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Adding additional Japanese cases from 2020 prefecture reports

It's September, which is the month the 2020 round of Japanese prefecture reports are released. Could any editor fluent in Japanese please provide links (from only reliable sources, not social media) to 2020 reports containing full names and dates of birth for individuals age 112+? Yamaguchi, Oita, Fukuoka, Osaka, Mie, Okinawa, Chiba, Hyogo, and Nara prefectures would be a great place to start. It would also be helpful if they could check if Kahoru Furuya is included in the 2020 report of Shizuoka Prefecture, and Miyo Hatakeyama in the 2020 Akita prefecture report. Thank you for any help that can be provided. Newshunter12 (talk) 02:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Could any editor capable of reading Japanese please verify whether this source contains the name and full birthdate of Katsue Kurimoto, of Nara Prefecture? She would be 113 years old if that makes it a little easier to locate. Thank you for any help that can be provided. After doing some research, I have learned Miyo Hatakeyama was not included in the 2020 Akita Prefecture report and is likely dead. As her current source, last years report, is over 1 year old, I will be removing her. Newshunter12 (talk) 16:55, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. The document states that the oldest announced person in the prefecture is 110 years old, then there's a note stating that the oldest resident is actually 113 but wishes to remain anonymous. Of course we know her name from previous reports, but considering the WP:BLP policy, I wonder if we should just list her as "Anonymous from Nara", citing this source. The problem then is that this particular source does not give her exact birth date, and then we are back to sourcing the birth date from an earlier source, that also contains the name. Thoughts? — JFG ^talk 19:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@JFG Thank you for taking the time to share this insight. Coupled with what the editor below discovered, it would probably be best to leave her off the list unless a better source surfaces in the future (ex. GRG validation or next year's report). Very unfortunate, but it seems too OR for us to piece together a name and date of birth for this woman. Technically, a very old person could have moved out of the prefecture and another moved in, and we could accidently create a fake persona. A bit like the argument against Jeanne Calment, actually, that the documents refer to different people. For the record, if an exact date of birth had been provided, I agree with you that "Anonymous from/of Nara", would be the right way to list her here. Newshunter12 (talk) 03:14, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello everyone,

Officially Mrs. Kurimoto is an anonymous 113-year-old woman. She actually has never been officially named by the prefecture. For example, this source from Nara Prefecture two years ago simply calls her an anonymous 111-year-old:

https://m.facebook.com/gosegirl/posts/1895951427162576

and obviously the source from this year doesn’t name her either. Gose City referenced her by name in 2014, but not her birth date:

http://www.city.gose.nara.jp/cmsfiles/contents/0000001/1031/141101.pdf (pg 2)

The only source with name and birth date is this Facebook post:

https://m.facebook.com/kazunori.i.kurimoto/posts/10220678508410048

and that probably doesn’t meet our standards.

Thank you for your time.

Legoshi02 (talk) 21:14, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello everyone,

As far as I know, the official report from Shizuoka Prefecture is in print only. I can’t find it online.

However, Yahoo Japan has mentioned Mrs. Kahoru Furuya (1908.2.18) by name. It doesn’t have her birthdate, but it’s an alive confirmation as of 21 September.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/5bb002a012d816526e331f53ac035446d9f5a55d

Thank you for your time.

Legoshi02 (talk) 20:49, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Legoshi02 Thank you very much for the information you shared about these two women. Given what you and JFG discovered, I don't think we can add Mrs. Kurimoto to this list unless a better source comes out in the future. It would just be too Original Research or relying on unreliable sources for us to add her as is. You are correct that Facebook isn't considered a reliable source by Wikipedia. I have added the source you provided for Kahoru Furuya to the article. Since we have a reliable source that gives her name and exact date of birth, a recent reliable source proving life was all we needed.

Is it possible you could please check for sources on the oldest people in Okinawa Prefecture? The prefecture report doesn't provide both names and exact dates of birth to add anyone, but there are three 112-year-old women there. Putting aside Hama Yasukawa, whose already validated by GRG, there is also a 113-year-old anonymous woman and 112-year-old Tomiko Itooka from Hyōgo Prefecture. It would be great help if you could please check for any other local sources on them so they can be added. Thank you for any help that can be provided. Newshunter12 (talk) 03:52, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your help @Newshunter12 in improving this article!

The three 112-year-old women in Okinawa Prefecture (https://www.pref.okinawa.jp/site/kodomo/korei/zaitaku/documents/r02_p7teiseigo.pdf) are Setsuko Moriyama, Matsu Gaja, and Nahi Yonamine. The dates of birth for Mrs. Moriyama and Mrs. Gaja are unknown, but we know Mrs. Nahi Yonamine’s date of birth:

http://www.vill.kitanakagusuku.lg.jp/site/htdocs/kouhou/200410/03.html

The above source from Kitanakagusuku village says that Mrs. Yonamine was born in Meiji 41 March 9 = 9 March 1908.

As for the anonymous woman from Hyōgo: no official sources report her date of birth. Some Facebook and Twitter posts from the past few years indicate she was born on 29 April 1907, but this doesn’t meet our criteria.

Mrs. Tomiko Itooka is in a similar situation. An Instagram post (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bxz8y_YHB8f/) seems to indicate her date of birth as 23 May 1908, but again, this isn’t enough for us.

Glad to help! Thank you for your time and effort.

Legoshi02 (talk) 21:27, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Legoshi02 Thank you very much for all of your research. I have added Mrs. Nahi Yonamine to the article with the two sources you provided. Newshunter12 (talk) 03:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Muniappa still alive birth 1905

My wife grandfather is still alive whose age is 115 years . He is from Village called Narsapura, Kolar district, Karnataka state, India. He also oldest survival of heart surgery at the age of 109. KOLAMBE (talk) 04:02, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

@KOAMBE: Do you have verification from a reliable source? Peaceray (talk) 04:08, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Ruth Apilado

Ruth Apilado appears on List of living centenarians with an age old enough to be listed here. Should she be added, or the criteria by which she is excluded be made clearer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.8.187.22 (talk) 13:40, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I looked for a recent source stating her age, but could not find anything even confirming her 110th birthday. Either she's very discreet, or she's dead -- or both. — JFG ^talk 12:45, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Irene Dunham

The last living survivor of the Bath School Disaster in 1927 Michigan. She was born December 16th, 1907. As per her daughter Loraine Rees' obituary, she was still alive as of July 18th, 2020. Yet I don't see her mentioned in this article. I thought maybe she had died since then so I checked for the most recent revision before July 18th, 2020 and she wasn't mentioned there either. Can we get her added or get a source indicating that she died sometime between July 18, 2020 and today? 98.176.148.115 (talk) 18:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Obituaries of other people are not enough to add someone to this list. A reliable, recent, and independent source for proof of life about her would be needed. Newshunter12 (talk) 01:23, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Japanese cases

@Legoshi02 Hello, I hope you have been keeping well. I was wondering if you could find any recent reliable sources (containing exact dates of birth and under one year old) for Katsumi Ando (Mie Prefecture), Mitsu Katsuta (Kanagawa Prefecture), Shimi Kushiyama (Kagoshima Prefecture), and Take Taniguchi (Hokkaidō Prefecture)? They are now old enough to be added to this list or the hidden section of people waiting to be added. Thank you very much for any help that you can provide. Sincerely, Newshunter12 (talk) 06:26, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Ruth Apilado not included

List of living centenarians shows Ruth Apilado as alive at 112 years old  AltoStev ^Talk 00:28, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Mrs. Eleftheria

Hi, the new entry about Mrs Eleftheria doesn't seem v. serious. Do you think we can keep it? The link takes to a newspaper full of articles like "12 answers to "clik in the shop": How will it work" and other kinds of articles which seems more like hidden advertising. There are lot of articles all over the world about people of 118 y.o. and more so we should have links more serious than this one before adding someone!--Fondouce (talk) 13:35, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

• Moved to bottom of page to conform to talk page convention. Tiderolls 14:13, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks!--Fondouce (talk) 14:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, that one probably belongs on the longevity claims list if it hasn't been thoroughly verified. Ionmars10 (talk) 15:32, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Unless someone can provide evidence that the source fails WP:RS, which means taking it to WP:RSN and probably classing it the same as the Daily Mail, then this entry qualifies for inclusion here. It does not qualify for inclusion in Longevity claims. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 16:58, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Add someone to the supercentenarian list

Ada Avila F, born 1/14/1910 USA Amgvjmedba (talk) 16:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Before you can add her please make sure the number of people on the list (including the section with an HTML comment) is at most 55. Georgia guy (talk) 16:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Way too young. Come back in six-nine months or so, and with a recent reliable source. Newshunter12 (talk) 03:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

This article is broken

The article does not appear to be rendering properly. Could someone edit it to make it go back to normal? Bmags16 (talk) 00:20, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Bmags16, looks fine to me. Could you please explain in more detail what you're seeing? Ionmars10 (talk) 02:10, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

article broken

article shows all the wikitext, isn't working Spookywooky2 (talk) 01:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

But only the section of 50 oldest living people is broken. Seems like the page works on the website but not on the app. Spookywooky2 (talk) 01:04, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Hungarian supercentenarian

Hey everyone, actual news about one of the removed people from the list: The oldest Hungarian woman is living as of today, she was talked greetings for her 113th birthday by the mayor of her city "Baja, Hungary". See this article from the homepage of the city Baja. http://www.baja.hu/index.php/aktualis-hirek/item/12393-koltsegvetes-malomtura-koszontes I would appreciate if someone who can edit the list properly (unfortunately I can not) would replace her thanks Kisdorog (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:20, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Dharam Pal Singh

An Indian Sikh man, Dharampal Singh Gudha was born on October 6 1897 and is still alive today. He has a birth certificate from his mother, a passport, a voter ID card and a PAN card that confirm this. The guy runs marathons still. Very cool stuff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeaceLoverStephenTrue1111 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Clearly a bogus age claim. Does not meet the criteria for inclusion in this article. Could be included in Longevity claims, but that would devalue the entries already there. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 03:25, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Addition of Hazel Plummer to Oldest Living People

I think that Hazel Plummer (born June 19, 1908) should be added to the list. There is a very recent article about her from December 2020 when she received her COVID-19 vaccine. The article describes her as the oldest resident of Massachusetts at the age of 112. Bromleychuck (talk) 14:03, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Bromleychuck While there are numorous reliable sources that have regularly talked about this woman, including the raft of copy-cat articles in December regarding her vaccination against COVID-19, the problem remains (as I told you on my talk page in October) that none of the reliable sources state her exact date of birth. Born in 1908 or a Facebook sourced date doesn't cut it, so she cannot be included on this list unless a reliable source states her exact date of birth. Newshunter12 (talk) 17:20, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Here is an article that does include Hazel Plummer's date of birth. [lcca.com/locations/ma/nashoba/nashoba-valley/blog/Life-Care-Center-of-Nashoba-Valley-resident-celebrated-as-oldest-in-state]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bromleychuck (talk • contribs) 21:50, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

A blog is not a reliable source. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 23:02, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I found another article about Hazel Plummer that mentions her birthdate. masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/12/oldest-massachusetts-resident-gets-the-covid-vaccine-at-112-years-old.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bromleychuck (talk • contribs) 14:43, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

That is explicitly sourced from the blog you mentioned above, which is an unreliable source, so it is still invalid for our use. I've researched her case extensively, and for a significant length of time have been unable to find a reliable source that gives her exact date of birth. Please stop your disruption of trying to insert an invalid entry into this article. If and when a reliable source becomes available stating her exact date of birth and if there is recent proof of life, rest assured she will be added promptly. Newshunter12 (talk) 17:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

I resent your labeling of my questioning about a possible entry to the list as a disruption. I honestly thought the second source looked valid, but obviously it is not up to the standards required. Treating someone who is merely asking about a question about an entry in such an obnoxious manner is unacceptable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9000:A505:6C69:1963:38D3:9CDC:E740 (talk) 17:33, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

She has now been added to List of the oldest living people using an old valid source that gives her exact date of birth and a source I discovered about her recent COVID-19 vaccination. The problem has now been solved using only reliable sources. Have a good day. Newshunter12 (talk) 01:13, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Jorge Duran Coral

Jorge Duran Coral from Mexico at 112 years and 5 days should be on this list near the bottom in the 48th spot; he is older than the three women in the bottom three spots, all of whom are under the age of 112. If memory serves me correctly, he was on this list recently. What happened here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.4.39.212 (talk) 11:16, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

He has never been included in this article. Upon checking, I found no reliable sources that discussed this man as a supercentenarian, let alone recently, so he does not qualify for inclusion in this article. To be included, a person needs an exact date of birth and proof of life in the past year, both reliably sourced. Social media, blogs, self-published sources and the like are not considered reliable by Wikipedia. Newshunter12 (talk) 18:59, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Marcel Meys

Marcel Meys is listed in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_verified_oldest_people as being alive at 111 years 330 days, so should be at number 50 on this list

aliendave (talk) 07:32, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

No. He has not been shown by reliable sources to have been alive in well over a year, so he does not qualify for inclusion in this article. Anyone is free to remove him from that other article on the same grounds. Hopefully, there will be coverage of a 112th birthday, but please know that obvious SC claims like this and the woman above are kept off for a reason. Threads are not needed for these people as experienced editors monitor these cases and add them to the article whenever possible. Newshunter12 (talk) 15:27, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Ruth Apilado

Shouldn't Ruth Apilado be in this article too? She is 113 and still alive. Stephen"Zap" (talk) 21:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

We haven't been able to find any recent reliable sources that indicate she actually is alive. Ionmars10 (talk) 00:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Alive as of June 3, 2021 per https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/6/3/22513783/ruth-apilado-oldest-chicagoan-remains-aim-americas-intercultural-magazine-david-mcgrath— Preceding unsigned comment added by DHLister (talk • contribs) 15:05, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

That commentary of old recollections and hearsay is basically a self-published letter to the editor by someone who last spoke with her over a decade ago, not reliable coverage. She still does not qualify for inclusion in this article. Newshunter12 (talk) 21:10, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps you missed the part of the text where the writer mentions having recently been in contact with Ruth's son? Not that I could care less if she's listed in Wikipedia's sub-par supercentenarian lists, just want to point out that you are evidently incorrect. :) OscarL 13:28, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I was well aware of his alleged undated and vague phone call with a relative, which fell under my above point, hearsay. It would also be original research even if it happened. Self-published letters to the editor, pictures of birthday cakes on Facebook, and find-a-grave are not reliable sources. Newshunter12 (talk) 20:01, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I think letters to the editor are (or should be) a bit of a grey area when it comes to RS in Wikipedia. If the writer is a public figure, then that's more credible than some random person's editorial. Also, this isn't an opinion piecce; the text is structured in the same way that an "actual" article would be: Conveying information to the readers about a person, sprinkled with personal recollections. As for proof that she is 113, it is beyond far-fetched that David would put his credibility on the line with that headline if it were to turn out that he didn't verify her living status before publication. If following the guidelines strictly is more important than using common sense, then I agree that she should remain off the list. So I'll give you that! OscarL 14:36, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Lilian priest has passed away

https://keep106.com/2021/06/17/uks-oldest-person-has-passed-away-at-112/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=uks-oldest-person-has-passed-away-at-112

Can someone trusted enough to edit the page please update it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red.thib (talk • contribs) 16:18, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Japanese cases

Hello @Legoshi02. Thank you very much for your recent contributions to this article. I was wondering if it would be possible for you to look for reliable sources on these women, so that they can be added to this article? They are: Matsu Hayafuji (21 February 1909) of Shiga Prefecture, Yasue Okai (25 November 1908) and Sadako Yamada (3 January 1909) of Ōsaka Prefecture, Kamado Miyaguni (5 July 1909) of Okinawa Prefecture, Masue Ōura (13 August 1909) of Nagasaki Prefecture, Hide Hamabe (3 December 1908) of Miyazaki Prefecture, Shinobu Hayashi (15 March 1909) of Kumamoto Prefecture, Mitsu Katsuta (18 February 1909) of Kanagawa Prefecture, Take Taniguchi (5 February 1909) of Hokkaidō Prefecture.

I have just found reliable sourcing for Kineko Takahashi (10 July 1909) of Miyagi Prefecture and will add her to the article shortly. Any help you are able to give with this article is much appreciated. Sincerely, Newshunter12 (talk) 17:34, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Likewise, thank you Newshunter12 for your contributions to the article. I apologize for never responding to your ping last year.

Of the women you mentioned, I believe that we can only add Mrs. Taniguchi and Mrs. Ōura. I will let you decide:

Mrs. Take Taniguchi (1909.2.5)

Hokkaidō Prefecture reported Mrs. Taniguchi’s date of birth in 2018. It is page 2 of this document:

http://web.archive.org/web/20201125153539/http:/www.iburi.pref.hokkaido.lg.jp/ts/tss/houdousiryou/30/0914H30dounaicyoujyushagaiyou.pdf

平成30年度道内長寿者の概要

Overview of longevity in Hokkaidō in Heisei 30

14 September 2018

In September 2020, she was recognized for Respect for the Aged Day. Here is the official source:

https://www.muromin.jp/news.php?id=12510

道内最高齢１１１歳、谷口さんに祝状と記念品

A congratulatory letter and celebration for Mrs. Taniguchi, 111, the oldest person in Hokkaidō

19 September 2020

She is more recently confirmed alive through a blog.

http://blog.livedoor.jp/sawayakaclub/archives/52156722.html

Mrs. Masue Ōura (1909.8.13)

Mrs. Ōura was confirmed alive by Nagasaki Prefecture on 1 September. The document includes her date of birth:

https://www.pref.nagasaki.jp/shared/uploads/2020/09/1599272138.pdf

令和２年度　長崎県の長寿者の状況について

Reiwa 2: Regarding the oldest living people in Nagasaki Prefecture

1 September 2020

I will also give details of the other women you mentioned.

Mrs. Yasue Okai (1908.11.25)

This is the source for Mrs. Okai’s birth date, from Higashiōsaka City.

http://web.archive.org/web/20191027164358/https:/www.city.higashiosaka.lg.jp/0000025944.html

This is the website of Mrs. Okai’s nursing home, called Ra Plage Adult Day Care.

https://hohoemi-fukushi.jp/laplage/publics/index/30/search_close=1/serialno=6010872ebfee04a82a08eebf23440fca/html_cache_flg=1/p72=5#block72

It is an alive confirmation as of 27 February; a picture of Mrs. Okai is included. However, she is not mentioned by name. There is no alive confirmation from the past year that mentions her by name, that I know of.

Mrs. Hide Hamabe (1908.12.3)

Mrs. Hamabe’s birth date comes from Facebook and Twitter posts. She has been mentioned in many official publications, but the most recent was in September 2018. All subsequent official reporting comes from Facebook.

Mrs. Sadako Yamada (1909.1.3)

I don’t know the official source for Mrs. Yamada’s date of birth. She’s been confirmed alive as of November 2020 by her care home, but again, no source for the date of birth.

http://www.daikyokai.or.jp/img/tayoris/fushio_102.pdf (110th birthday)

http://www.daikyokai.or.jp/img/tayoris/fushio.pdf (November 2020)

Mrs. Mitsu Katsuta (1909.2.18)

The closest I can get for Mrs. Katsuta’s date of birth is this article from 2019:

https://www.townnews.co.jp/0401/2019/09/13/497611.html

which simply states that she was born in February 1909.

She was last confirmed alive in September 2020:

https://www.kanaloco.jp/news/social/article-234446.html

Mrs. Matsu Hayafuji (1909.2.21)

Mrs. Hayafuji’s birth date comes from Takashima City:

http://www.city.takashima.lg.jp/www/contents/1504529035223/simple/H29_0904_4.pdf

However, she has not explicitly been confirmed alive since 2018. She is likely the anonymous woman who was reported as the second-oldest in Shiga Prefecture last year:

https://www.pref.shiga.lg.jp/ippan/kenkouiryouhukushi/koureisya/314397.html

but this does not meet our criteria.

Mrs. Shinobu Hayashi (1909.3.15)

Mrs. Hayashi’s date of birth comes from this 2019 news source:

http://web.archive.org/web/20191215125435/http:/rkk.jp/news/backno_page.php?id=NS003201912111651210111

Mrs. Hayashi became the oldest living person in Kumamoto Prefecture on 3 July 2020, but I don’t have a source for this. She may have passed away in December 2020.

Mrs. Kamado Miyaguni (1909.7.5)

Mrs. Miyaguni’s date of birth comes from this blog post:

http://www.cosmos.ne.jp/~miyako-m/htm/ganzu/060118.htm

She was confirmed alive in September 2020 as the fifth oldest person in Okinawa Prefecture, but only as an anonymous woman from Miyakojima City.

https://www.pref.okinawa.jp/site/kodomo/korei/zaitaku/documents/r02_p7teiseigo.pdf

Thank you very much for your help. Have a lovely day. Legoshi02 (talk) 07:38, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your research and help with these cases. I have added Mrs. Taniguchi and Mrs. Ōura to the article using sources and information you provided, and concur with your reasons why we can't add the other women at this time. Collectively speaking, we have recently added five Japanese women to this article, which is a major improvement. It would be great if we could collaborate like this again in September, when the latest round of Prefecture reports come out. No worries about the ping last year. Take care. Newshunter12 (talk) 20:44, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Good call using a single source for Mrs. Taniguchi. I may have gone a bit overboard on sources.

Also, I forget if it was you who proposed this, but it was also a good decision to shorten the list to 50 people. It's a lot more manageable now.

I will definitely be back in September. Talk to you then - and have a restful summer!

Legoshi02 (talk) 05:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Add Lawrence Brooks to the supplement?

Is Lawrence Brooks eligible for the supplement? He was born September 12, 1909. He has his own wikipedia page. It looks like the references on that bottom of that page meet the criteria for this page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Brooks_(American_veteran)

2601:2C6:4300:5AA0:10C6:F3E7:4E83:AFD (talk) 10:18, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Done, using the reliable source I previously used at Oldest people. Newshunter12 (talk) 20:49, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

this table doesn't load in the mobile app

title 135.0.61.116 (talk) 00:42, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2021

Jeanne Chabbert, from France was born in 1909, august first, she should appear in the table this links to a journal article about her getting vaccinated in january 2021. 176.169.225.159 (talk) 12:42, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2021

Jeanne Chabbert, from France was born in 1909, August first, she should appear in the table here is a reference to the journal article mentionning she was vaccinated in January 2021 https://www.ladepeche.fr/2021/01/19/covid-19-vaccinee-a-111-ans-la-doyenne-du-tarn-a-donne-lexemple-9320610.php 176.169.225.159 (talk) 08:22, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that provide the subject's full name and date of birth, neither of which were included in the above source. Newshunter12 (talk) 15:15, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2021

Marcel Meys, French living in Saint-Romain-en-Gal, near Lyon, was born on 12 juillet 1909 here is a reference dating of february 2021. http://archive.wikiwix.com/cache/index2.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.leprogres.fr%2Fsociete%2F2021%2F02%2F11%2Fqui-sont-les-doyens-de-nos-departements there was a little ceremony for his birthday with Mayor of the city present, but surprizingly no report in the press. 176.169.225.159 (talk) 08:40, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The above source itself cites an unreliable self-published forum as a source of information on Meys, so it is invalid for our use here. Newshunter12 (talk) 15:18, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Oldest person alive

The oldest person alive is actually 122 years old. Ngxovo Ximba from South africa Xolani Eesa (talk) 19:06, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

@Xolani Eesa: Do you have verification from a reliable source? Peaceray (talk) 19:57, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Broken list

The list is broken, it is showing as code. Saw141 (talk) 07:02, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Ethel Caterham is still living.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=4360335897322484&id=126261804063269 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rklingmann (talk • contribs) 07:04, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Facebook is not a reliable source, and since no recent reliable source could be found in searches, Ethel Caterham will remain off this list unless reliable coverage surfaces in the future. Newshunter12 (talk) 12:52, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Do pictures of her 112th birthday 11 days ago suffice? https://the110club.com/ethel-caterham-112-t26219.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rklingmann (talk • contribs) 00:21, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Not remotely... Social media, blogs, self-published sources, and forums are never considered reliable here. Newshunter12 (talk) 02:42, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2021

124-year-old Filipina is world's oldest person alive https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/1907186/Cebu/Local-News/124-year-old-Filipina-is-worlds-oldest-person-alive 37.34.139.40 (talk) 10:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

That case is already listed at Longevity claims, and will never be listed in this article due to that extraordinary claim not being reliably sourced. Newshunter12 (talk) 14:34, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Japanese cases

Hello, @Legoshi02. I hope you have been doing well the past few months and enjoying your summer, as I did. Things returned mostly to normal again during the Summer where I live, though the pendulum is swinging right back towards 2020 again for the aptly named Fall season! Thank you for your recent edits to this article, as they were very helpful to improving it. I was wondering if you could please find sources for Koyo Hirai, born March 10 1909, and Maki Hirabayashi, born October 17, 1909, both of Hokkaidō Prefecture?

Any other cases you are able to find, such as from Okinawa (whose prefecture report I have yet to see this year), would be most helpful. Thank you very much for any additional help you are able to provide improving this article. It is much appreciated. On a side note, yes, it was my idea to shorten the list to 50 entries! I am glad you also find the list much more manageable now, which was my chief goal with the change. I found new sources for some other "younger" Japanese women that I will be sure to add in later months as 1910 finds its way onto the list over time. This seems like our smoothest collaboration yet, with only Mrs. Ine Kizu appearing to have died without reliable sourcing and a few case research requests. Newshunter12 (talk) 00:28, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, @Newshunter12. I am doing well and did have a wonderful and Memorable summer. For a while I was able to forget about horrible daily news and just enjoy myself. I'm glad you enjoyed your summer too, and I hope you feel well-rested. You're right - it indeed seems like everything is about to Fall again. I feel like we've been stuck in a waking dream since March 2020.

You've also been fantastic with this article! The 50-person list makes the September updates a lot easier. Today you also beat me to a few changes. Thank you for your diligence.

As for the people you mentioned, these are all "near-misses." There are a lot of people I'd like to add but they sadly don't meet our criteria. I'll explain each person:

Mrs. Koyo Hirai (1909.3.10) used to be anonymous. This year, however, she has embraced media attention including articles and a video. However, all of these sources simply state that she is 112 years old, born 1909. The only source for her date of birth is this Instagram post from her granddaughter.

For Mrs. Maki Hirabayashi (1909.10.17) we have the opposite issue. Her date of birth is reported in this 2013 publication. However, recently the family seems to have opted for privacy, which I respect. Mrs. Hirabayashi is third-oldest in Hokkaidō, but her name is "not public" on page 6. The most recent report to name her is published 5 April 2020.

Okinawa Prefecture is always luck. This year we cannot add anyone else. On page 8 we see the oldest in the prefecture. Dates of birth are not listed and we have to go with outside sources.

First is Mrs. Matsu Gaja (1908.2), date of birth incomplete.

Second is Mrs. Yonamine, whom you've already updated.

Third is Mrs. Ushi Makishi (1909.2), date of birth incomplete.

Next are two anonymous women. One of them is Kamado Miyaguni (1909.7.5) whose date of birth comes from this 2005 page. It looks like a blog but in fact is the old page for Miyako Mainichi Shimbun, so it is reliable. However, Mrs. Miyaguni has chosen anonymity this year and there are no sources explicitly naming her. The other anonymous woman is Mrs. Kame Uema, exact date of birth unknown.

The sixth and seventh are Mrs. Kikue Taira (1910.4.26) and Mrs. Haruko Mekaru (1910.7.5) who are both too "young" for the list right now.

Mrs. Masa Matsumoto (1909.11.29) has been confirmed alive on 14 September. However, her date of birth is simply stated to be in November 1909, and the exact date comes from Twitter. Another near-miss.

Respect for the Aged Day is on Monday, and we can expect sporadic updates through October. We have already had the anonymous woman from Fukuoka reveal her name. Stay vigilant, there may be some pleasant surprises.

You have been wonderful to work with. Thank you very much for your time.

Legoshi02 (talk) 08:01, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

@Legoshi02 Thank you for your very kind words. Do not worry about the length of the addendum and subsequent policy based deletion, which was bound to happen after all our hard work improving the list. It is easy to go back into the page history, copy the code, and re-add whenever new entries are needed. The important thing is that we have so many cases researched for an accurate list and compiled for when the time comes. Newshunter12 (talk) 19:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2021

I notice that Barbara Barton (10/12/1908) has fallen off your list. At the moment I have no new articles etc beyond the previously listed 112th birthday notice from the paper. I can assure you she was alive when my mom (her daughter) visited her this weekend. Short of a newspaper article, which isn't happening now that her birthday has passed, what do you need to prove she's alive?

Thanks, Nate Sornborger natesornborger@yahoo.com 50.225.16.91 (talk) 15:45, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. We need reliable sources. Personal statements fail WP:V ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:51, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Can the list be extended all the way down to know how many people born in the 1900s are still alive?

Just a few years ago everybody known that was born in the 1800s had died out with Emma Morano on 15 April 2017, however I just want to know how many we have left for the 1900s, can we put everybody born on 2 January 2000 or earlier on this article?, I’m just curious?, so why hasn’t the list extended all the way down to the start of 2000.

--2603:6011:E06:B6A0:4C8D:1D18:D836:55A (talk) 00:43, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

No. This list was reduced to a maximum of 50 entries due to the unreliability/lack of verification of newer cases. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 01:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2021

Barbara Sanders Barton who was born in Oct of 2018 in RI - USA is till alive.She was #26 but disappeared from the list with no reason about a week ago 23.240.40.23 (talk) 08:18, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done Mrs. Barton was removed because there had been no reports of her being alive for one year. Unless you can find a reliable report of her dated within the last year, she will stay off the list. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 12:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Djurdja Stojkovic(20.10.1908.)

Can anyone add to the list Djurdja Stojkovic, from Serbia, was born on 20.October 1908. (Sex: Female) . SOURCE: https://www.najzena.rs/porodica/vesti/3761/pronasli-smo-najstariju-zenu-u-srbiji-baka-durda-iz-okoline-vranja-ima-113-godina-prezivela-je-sve-ratove-a-sada-i-koronu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Дејан2021 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Not done: Please provide a reliable source that states her exact date of birth, which is the only unmet requirement to her inclusion at this time. Newshunter12 (talk) 00:46, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Gerontology Viki Djurdja Stojkovic (20.10.1908.) https://gerontology.wikia.org/wiki/Djurdja_Stojkovic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Дејан2021 (talk • contribs) 10:18, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Serbian Wikipedia also says that she was born on 20 October 1908. https://sr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%82%D1%83%D1%80%D1%92%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B Дејан2021 (talk) 10:36, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Gerontology wikia is not a reliable source. Another Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 19:06, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Not only Wikipedia is the only source that says she was born on October 20, 1908, there are many more sources.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CWLspj4NAa3/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Дејан2021 (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Instagram isn't a reliable source my guy 2001:8003:E5C9:DA00:A763:C675:F506:A16F (talk) 02:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok My mistake is if I have the whole content of the page instead of one part. So Djurdja Stojkovic from Serbia was not born in 1908. But in 1913 she should not be on the list. I suggested it be, but now I agree and it should not be. Дејан2021 (talk) 17:09, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2022

Where is Virginia McLaurin? born March 12, 1909 she is 112 2607:FEA8:C1F:9200:B999:B0E2:E67D:E984 (talk) 18:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:35, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Andrelino Vieira da Silva

Yesterday I saw some Brazilian media outlets spreading the story of a man who recently turned 121. The original news story, published here by G1 (one of the biggest and most reliable sources in Brazil), has a picture of his ID, in which his age is confirmed.

If that is true, this is the oldest man ever, the second oldest person ever and the oldest living person. I found it quite strange that no sources have mentioned the fact that he is breaking several records at once. Would this source be enough to add him to the list? As a journalist myself I just find this story way too earth-shattering for sources to act so casual towards it. Victor Lopes ^Fala!•C 16:46, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

He does not meet the criteria for inclusion in this article. Belongs in Longevity claims. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 16:50, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2022

Possible supercentenarian inclusion: Delio Venturotti (born 25 October 1909 in Italy, currently residing in Brazil)

Hopefully the news article I’ve cited meets the criteria.

News article published 12/08/2021 “Delio Venturotti, l’italiano più anziano al mondo vive in Brasile e trova un buono postale da quasi 1 milione di euro” (Translated title: Delio Venturotti, the oldest Italian in the world lives in Brazil and finds a postal voucher worth almost 1 million euros)

https://www.booble.it/curiosita/delio-venturotti-litaliano-piu-anziano-al-mondo-vive-in-brasile-e-trova-un-buono-postale-da-quasi-1-milione-di-euro/ Good.Prognosis..88 (talk) 05:27, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. booble.it does not seem reliable enough for these claims, especially with their focus on "viral news." ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:00, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2022

Can you remove Justina Santana Xavier da Silva and Ermínia Lopes dos Santos since they ain't validated. Stellaff (talk) 05:52, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

That is not how it works here, as this isn't the GRG. Only WP:V (along with an exact date of birth and proof of life within 1 year) needs to be met to be included. However, the reliable sourcing for both entries recently became older then 1 year and new reliable sourcing could not be located, so I have just removed both for failing that standard. Newshunter12 (talk) 20:32, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2022

Barbara Barton born October 12, 1908 Currently living in East Providence, RI Haddie Ide Chaffee Nursing Home 108.34.218.18 (talk) 19:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Maria Aulenbacher

The sources for Maria Aulenbacher seem to be more than 1 year old. A newer source may be necessary.93.99.12.254 (talk) 07:00, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2022 Swami Savananda

125 years old person living in India.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/swami-sivananda-125-years-old-receives-padma-shri-for-yoga-2834953 2.101.191.128 (talk) 06:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Does not meet the criteria for inclusion. As noted, REPEATEDLY, elsewhere, he is in Longevity claims where he belongs. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 06:29, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Maria da Encarnação Sousa

According to the Facebook page of her retirement home (Centro Social Paroquial Nª Sr.ª Assunção, Vila Nova de Tazem, Portugal), Maria da Encarnação Sousa celebrated her 113th birthday on Sunday, 20 March 2022. The link is: https://web.facebook.com/larvnt/posts/1703021376700497 Teixant (talk) 19:20, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Facebook is not a reliable source DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 20:19, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes sir, fine, but many reputable institutions, and even government ones, have their official pages on Facebook, but if that is the law, it is the law! Teixant (talk) 20:44, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2022

Please remove Maria Aulenbacher from the list. Her source is more than 1 year old and I could not find any new sources. 93.99.12.254 (talk) 13:40, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Please provide a reliable source that she has died if you want her removed. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 17:43, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done As per the requirements of this list. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 18:13, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. 93.99.12.254 (talk) 17:23, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Swami Sivananda yoga guru currently hes age 125

please update 86.98.60.240 (talk) 18:13, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done Please see #Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2022 Swami Savananda [sic]. Peaceray (talk) 18:17, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

List of VERIFIED oldest living people

This adjustment will clarify the status of everyone on this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.62.207.182 (talk) 08:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Kane Tanaka has died

Kane Tanaka died on April 19, 2022. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.173.231 (talk) 17:18, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Maria da Encarnação Sousa, again

So, it seems that she is back on, with the same link that I posted on 22 March, but was discarded because "Facebook is not a reliable source" (with which I disagree)... Teixant (talk) 22:20, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Maria da Encarnacao Sousa and Ada Thompson

@Renewal6 and Rklingmann: Time to discuss. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:23, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Per consensus for this article, Sousa needs needs a reliable source from within the last year evidencing that she is still alive. The only source from within the last year is the one from Facebook, which is NOT reliable. If there were another source which was reliable the Facebook source could be used to support that. There isn't (yet), therefore she should not be included. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 10:42, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

New problem

I was just about to edit the table by moving the HTML comment that stands for the addendum to add one person to the list, but I noticed the addendum was empty. Does this happen sometimes?? Georgia guy (talk) 16:20, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

@Georgia guy: Not sometimes, but often. The list once had a cutoff at around 112, but for some reason WP:LONGEVITY's supercentenarian hunters cannot find as many people. For multiple days in April, in fact, the list had less than 50 people. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 12:06, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

OLDEST LIVING PERSON

Johanna Mazibuko 128 years 213.107.84.124 (talk) 19:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Got proof? Seanette (talk) 19:33, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

There is a YouTube video showing evidence such as her ID card: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=13q0LNraXLk 120.16.150.20 (talk) 20:31, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Not exactly solid evidence. Even if the video itself is showing what was put in front of the camera accurately (deepfakes are a thing, after all) there's no evidence that what was put in front of the camera is itself not faked. Try official records following customary verification done by reliable researchers. Seanette (talk) 20:41, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Irrelevant. The oldest verified person is Lucile Randon, anyone claiming to be older is merely a claim and belongs in Longevity claims. Unless Mazibuko's claim is verified she will never meet the criteria for inclusion in this article. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 22:12, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Are we talking about some double standards here? Why wouldn't the National ID Card issued by a government count as an evidence though? 120.16.150.20 (talk) 23:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

No. There is a long history of people claiming to be extremely old with no proof. Government issued ID cards are not proof, the vast majority having been issued relatively recently and based on hearsay rather than actual evidence. This is why Guinness World Records requires more substantial evidence before verifying someone as the "World's Oldest Person". DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 23:52, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Maria Aulenbacher

The Wikipedia Article List of German supercentenarians is listing Maria Aulenbacher, born in western Germany, living in the US. She would be on Place 31 in this list. --2A02:810B:1040:5230:68B9:B9B9:6E36:BA1D (talk) 17:42, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

This list requires recent sources. Her sources are more than 1 year old. We need a new source to add her to this list.2A02:F000:1048:4F00:90DF:2B87:5EA:AFF6 (talk) 11:19, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Hazel Young is missing from list.

Hazel Pearl Davis Young. DOB 6/13/1910 resides in Altoona Iowa USA 97.125.56.215 (talk) 23:07, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Reliable source, please? 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:23, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Reliability of sources

How reliable are the sources for Klavdiya Gadyuchkina and Seliman Bandang? Claims from their countries are often unreliable.93.99.12.254 (talk) 13:41, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Extend the list to 100

Why is this list of oldest people only 50 when lists of the oldest verified claims and of each country go up to 100. I say we should extend the list to at least 100 N1TH Music (talk) 07:54, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Well, we used to, but not anymore. Now, we're having trouble keeping it at 50! 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Maybe we should change the list of oldest verified people to 50 women and 50 men too. If we did that we could change the rules from "women are GRG only, men can be sourced from other sources" to "people over 115 are GRG only, younger people can be sourced from other sources" without having to add women from other sources or to remove Gerneth.93.99.12.254 (talk) 06:14, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

That has been proposed in the past, but has never gained consensus. The reasoning is that it does not solve any problem. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 09:52, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

It's not necessarily meant to solve a problem it was just a suggestion, make the list 100 people, it'll be more complete that way N1TH Music (talk) 13:52, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2022

The entry for oldest person (and there by, the oldest Indian) alive should be for yoga guru Swami Sivananda, who has been awarded the 4th highest civilian honor (Padma Shri) in March 2022.

Reference: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/watch-swami-sivananda-receives-padma-shri-for-his-contribution-in-yoga/videoshow/90359434.cms https://www.news9live.com/knowledge/who-is-the-oldest-padma-shri-recipient-know-all-about-yoga-guru-swami-sivananda-160816 134.238.200.167 (talk) 04:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

As noted multiple times over many articles, including the archives of this talk page, he does not meet the criteria for inclusion and never will. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2022

Barbara Barton should be added to the list of the world's oldest living people. She was removed from it about 9 months ago for some unknown reason. She was born on October 12, 1908 and lives in Rhode Island. She is still alive. 108.34.218.18 (talk) 02:37, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 03:41, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2022

Marie-Rose Tessier Bousseau is now 112 years, 44 days old, she was born 21 may 1910 recent article here https://posevagabonde.fr/2022/06/30/j-365-marie-rose-tessier-112-ans-les-sables-dolonne-retraitee/ 129.175.101.5 (talk) 09:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.. WP:NOBLOGS. Fbifriday (talk) 07:56, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Would this Ouest-France article from July 2nd work as a reliable source? It's about the same photographer whose blog was linked by the IP. The article is subscription-only, but just as the text starts to gray out, it mentions his portrait of Tessier: "Cet habitant de Saint-Malô-du-Bois, ex-banquier, a tenu son pari un peu fou en livrant ce jeudi 30 juin le 365e portrait: Marie Rose Tessier, 112 ans" (rough translation: This resident of Saint-Malô-du-Bois, ex-banker, held his slightly crazy bet by delivering this Thursday, June 30, the 365th portrait: Marie Rose Tessier, 112 years old). This would confirm her to be living as of June 30th. The article does not contain Tessier's full birthdate; as such, we can use this Ouest-France article from 2019 to verify that. Softmist (talk) 09:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2022

No. 8. Erna A. (Miller) Zahn passed away August 9, 2022 in New Ulm, MN at the age of 114 years.

https://www.mvfh.org/obituary/erna-zahn Ntraxler91 (talk) 11:28, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Klavdiya Gadyuchkina

Klavdiya Gadyuchkina (nee Krotova) has the confirmed date of birth according to parish register - 5 December 1910 (new style)[1]. She is 111 now, still in the list of top-50. 89.179.106.54 (talk) 20:01, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

When Russia moved from the Julian Calendar to the Gregorian Calendar in 1918, she may have been confused what her new Birth date was. I have moved her from pos 25 to pos 44. Rklingmann (talk) 19:13, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

"Brañas" vs. "Branyas"

This seems to be a particular issue in English-language Wikipedia, but every linked source uses "Branyas," not "Brañas." The GRG, Spanish-language Wikipedia and Spanish-language news articles all use "Branyas," while "Brañas" seems to be a well-intentioned, but incorrect hypercorrection. I propose switching all the spellings to "Branyas," unless someone here can provide a better source to support the use of "Brañas." Damiel (talk) 16:03, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

The name should always be that used in the source, no matter what some editor's opinion may be. Any alternative spelling must have a source of equal reliability, in which case both spellings should be included. At present there is only one source so Branyas should be used in all relevant lists. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 20:56, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I agree with this reasoning. As a long time reader more so than contributor, I wanted to get consensus here before making the relevant changes, anticipating revert wars. Damiel (talk) 22:02, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree, and for consistency, her name needs to be changed here too. Regards, MattSucci (talk) 11:17, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. It turns out she was in all four of the "oldest people" pages here, plus the "List of Spanish supercentarians" page, so I made the changes accordingly. Damiel (talk) 17:57, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Missed one earlier, but now also corrected on "List of supercentenarians by continent." Damiel (talk) 03:56, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Ever heard of the ñ? Also this source gives Brañas. 11:11, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, I've studied several foreign languages, including Spanish, so I understand why it seemingly *should* be "Brañas" based on phonetics. However, Spanish-language Wikipedia uses "Branyas", and so does the source cited there from the Spanish-language newspaper "El Mundo". I would understand if there was a spelling divide between Spanish and English (where I'd likely side with Spanish), but there doesn't appear to be one in this case. We have to go with the spelling that the credible sources cited use. Damiel (talk) 16:08, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I don+t know if it is related to this case but it looks like Branyas is a Catalan spelling, where "ny" is equivalent to the Castilian "ñ". Teixant (talk) 17:48, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Seliman Bandang

The source for Seliman Bandang seems to be 1 year old and I could not find a more recent reliable source.93.99.12.254 (talk) 10:49, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I did find this source from 1 March 2022, which says: The Malaysian Book of Records currently officially recognises ... Seliman Bandang from Sarawak ... as the oldest living man at the age of 111. However, the source's reliability is questionable, given that it alleges Malaysia "broke the world record for oldest living person" with a 122-year-old, and admits that as far as legitimacy goes, it is definitely (read: only, exclusively) official in the town of Paloh, Johor. This claim is based on Malaysian voting records, which we cannot be sure extend back far enough to verify her claimed birthdate of 31 December 1900 (evidently, the article even incorrectly claims her age is 122 when, even if it were true, would be 121 at the time of this publication). These voting records are also presumably the basis for Seliman Bandang's claim, who is said to have entered Malaysia's Book of Records but is suspiciously nowhere to be found on their website, even on a page that contains Malaysia's "oldest woman" (another longevity claim at 119 years old). All considered, I don't think the March 2022 source is reliable as it advocates a claim approaching Calment status as possibly legitimate, nor is the Malaysian Book of Records a reliable source (at least for valid longevity claims). He should be removed, in my opinion, but I'd like input from other contributors first. Softmist (talk) 18:45, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Given that the original source takes its evidence for his age from the Malaysian Book of Records, and that does not seem to be a reliable source for oldest people, then he should be removed from all lists as he does not have a RS for his age. If anyone wants to justify the MBoR as a reliable source they can try and get it approved at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 21:54, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. I have removed him from all relevant lists. Softmist (talk) 22:37, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Japanese supercentenarians

There are many updates to be performed regarding Japanese supercentenarians, as the prefectural reports on oldest residents are all coming out now. Too much has changed to explain in one edit summary, so I will summarize everything here for convenience before implementing these updates into the table.

• Saitama's oldest person is Hisako Shiroishi, born on 19 May 1910 (source). She will be added to the list.
• Mitsuno Sato was confirmed alive as of 1 September 2022 (source). Her source will be updated.
• Nagano's oldest person is Miyao Mashima, born on 1 July 1910 (source). She will be added to the list.
• Kagawa's oldest person is a 110-year-old anonymous woman (source), so Masami Ueno is in limbo. She will be removed from the list.
• Shina Seki was confirmed alive as of 16 September 2022 (source). Her source will be updated.
• Niigata's oldest person is Kikuyo Honma, born on 1 November 1910 (source). She will be added to the list.
• Okagi Hayashi was confirmed alive as of 15 September 2022 (source). Her source will be updated.
• Shinobu Hayashi was confirmed alive as of 17 September 2022 (source). Her source will be updated.

Softmist (talk) 13:39, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2022

Anna Cernohorsky is dead:

https://www.moz.de/nachrichten/panorama/aelteste-frau-deutschlands-ist-tot-anna-cernohorsky-aus-bautzen-in-sachsen-mit-113-jahren-gestorben-66670365.html 2A02:810D:B00:6DB8:C4A7:F749:829:63AB (talk) 17:30, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done. I've removed her entry. Renewal6 (talk) 17:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Rose Eaton

Someone should add https://gerontology.fandom.com/wiki/Rose_Eaton. She is from UK. Born 23 August 1909. 109.245.111.178 (talk) 18:57, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Renewal6 (talk) 20:03, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Pretty certain we could use this. --Jkaharper (talk) 13:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Asta Hasse

Are we sure that Asta Hasse is still alive? I know that it's not a reliable source, but there is a death notice at [2], saying that she died about half a year ago. Maybe someone can check if that claim is valid, using reliable sources? Renerpho (talk) 14:03, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Let's just wait three weeks. Then no report of her 113th birthday can be found. Then the mentioned sources are older than one year. That's enough to remove her from the list.--2A02:8108:41C0:3904:203B:10E1:6FE9:2F38 (talk) 18:03, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2022

World oldest Man is Mr. Swami Shivananda.

Source 1) - https://www.google.com/search?q=world+oldest+man+2022+india&biw=1280&bih=577&sxsrf=ALiCzsaXQ35FBH4pSix7-Bje1z1O4a_DtQ%3A1670585582467&ei=7hyTY8SVHNCRmAXYqKTIDw&ved=0ahUKEwjExNahuOz7AhXQCKYKHVgUCfkQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=world+oldest+man+2022+india&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgATIICCEQFhAeEB0yCAghEBYQHhAdOgQIIxAnOgQIABBDOgUIABCRAjoKCC4QsQMQgwEQQzoKCAAQsQMQgwEQQzoGCAAQFhAeOgUIABCGAzoHCCEQoAEQCkoECEEYAEoECEYYAFAAWJglYIonaABwAXgAgAG0AYgBsgqSAQMwLjmYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Source 2) https://www.worldwideworldrecords.com/post/world-s-oldest-man-world-record-living-oldest-man-on-the-planet-swami-sivananda 110.226.181.49 (talk) 11:38, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

As noted repeatedly in the archives for this page, and elsewhere, he is unverified, and never will be, so cannot be included int this article. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 17:53, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2023

Ushi Makishi is missing from the list, she is number 10 2001:569:BE0A:2400:7167:5456:7C8F:359D (talk) 20:04, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 20:22, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Oldest person

This was the oldest person in south africa born 11 May 1894,just died now on the 03/03/2023 Nkukuthane johanna Mazibuko died at 128 years old 45.221.34.161 (talk) 18:52, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

In Longevity claims where she belongs. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 19:48, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2023

Add Swami Sivananda born on 8th August 1896 in Sylhet District (now in Bangladesh) India, still living, to this list. He also won the prestigious Padma Shri award in 2022. 2405:201:3003:60A6:F860:7306:52DA:EB22 (talk) 06:28, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Already answered multiple times in multiple articles: He is in Longevity claims where he belongs. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 06:37, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2023

Change Edie's name to Edith as it is in the source and on the other wikipedia page where she is listed ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_verified_oldest_people ) Someonewholikesthelists (talk) 01:44, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Changed to match the source. RudolfRed (talk) 01:19, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Samwel Nthigai Mburia

I just saw a story about King Charles III meeting a 117 year-old Kenyan veteran named Samwel Nthigai Mburia, this would make him older than anyone on this list, is there any reason why he is not on the list? Did none of us know, or is it unconfirmed? Should I add him? 2204happy (talk) 03:29, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

No. His claimed age is older than the oldest verified person. Until he is recognised as the world's oldest person by Guinness, he belongs in Longevity claims. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:08, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2023

I propose that Emilienne Bécarmin, from Antiles, France, be added as she was born 4 june 1911 here is a press article published after her last anniversary (june 2023) https://www.guadeloupe.franceantilles.fr/actualite/vielocale/mimi-la-jeune-fille-a-fete-ses-112-ans-938982.php Tirol78 (talk) 10:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Another editor added this to the list. RudolfRed (talk) 18:47, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2024

Hannah Potochnik, 133 years, born October 23, 1890. Resides in Arizona, United States. 129.219.8.11 (talk) 18:20, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Not yet done: I'm having a hard time finding a source for this. Urropean (talk) 20:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Does not meet the criteria for inclusion, regardless of any sources. Too old for Longevity claims. Belongs in Longevity myths, if anywhere. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 20:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

please add Aline Blain, from France, born 10/08/1911

Miss Blain has exactly same birth day as Yuki Nitta https://gerontology.fandom.com/wiki/Aline_Blain Tirol78 (talk) 10:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

There are only supposed to be 50 supercentenarians (exactly) in the main list. She is the first one listed in the addendum. So, the next time someone in the top 50 dies, she will appear in the main list. Softmist (talk) 19:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Clarabell Demers

Hello all. She died today https://www.valleynewslive.com/2024/01/17/oldest-person-north-dakota-passes-away-age-113/ Danielvis08 (talk) 21:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Renewal6 (talk) 22:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2024

Change number 1 to Maria Antonia Cuero. Born on October 18th 1901 in Columbia. She is currently 122 years old. KDaws22 (talk) 16:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Too old for this list; belongs in Longevity claims. Softmist (talk) 19:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Plz add hoson mresheh

Born 1st of January 1900 2A01:9700:13FF:3500:2598:23A8:8A37:FD93 (talk) 08:47, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Belongs in longevity claims 68.198.148.52 (talk) 09:16, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Anonymous of Kyoto

According to source #15 and https://longeviquest.com/supercentenarians/anonymous-lady-of-kyoto/, there is another anonymous woman from Kyoto, Japan born 18 February 1911. 68.198.148.52 (talk) 09:16, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

She was on the list a month ago as Chiyo Yamamoto. Both her LQ profile and source #15 are outdated. Yamamoto is in limbo now; see here. Softmist (talk) 00:23, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

please add Ruth Stryzewski

Ruth Stryzewski just turned 112 in Oshkosh, Wisconsin of Winnebago county. February 19th, 1912 is her birthday. Information is seen in the Oshkosh Herald February 21st, 2024 2603:6000:CF3F:D700:88D5:F200:4854:34DD (talk) 23:43, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Not old enough for this article. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 23:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 February 2024

Change no 52 in table of verified oldest women to Name: Katerina Karnarou, Birth Date: 25 July 1905, Death Date: 29 October 2020, Age: 115 years 96 days, Place of death or residence: Greece 2A02:8084:90E1:5480:FCFF:2A72:EDC3:AAFE (talk) 23:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

References

 Not done: Her age has not been approved by an organization specializing in extreme age verification, so she does not meet the criteria for inclusion. Also, please make sure your request is on the talk page for the appropriate article next time. Softmist (talk) 23:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2024

Subject: Request to Add Information on Swami Sivananda to the Wikipedia Page on Oldest Living People

Dear Wikipedia Editors,

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to bring to your attention the remarkable life and achievements of Swami Sivananda, a 125-year-old yoga guru from Kashi, who recently received the prestigious Padma Shri award, acknowledging his extensive contributions to the field of yoga and community service. Given the significance of his age and accomplishments, I believe his profile would be an invaluable addition to your page dedicated to the oldest living people.

Swami Sivananda was born on August 8, 1896, in the Sylhet district, now part of Bangladesh. Despite the early loss of his parents and a childhood marked by poverty, he pursued a spiritual path from a young age. Over the years, his unwavering commitment to yoga and his selfless dedication to serving those in need, especially leprosy-affected individuals in Puri, have garnered him widespread respect and admiration.

His life, underscored by a philosophy of love, service, and spiritual practice, embodies profound teachings and inspirational values. The acknowledgment of his contributions through the Padma Shri award at the age of 125 not only celebrates his personal achievements but also highlights his significant impact on society and the field of yoga.

Given the exceptional nature of Swami Sivananda's journey and achievements, incorporating his information into the Wikipedia page on the oldest living people would enrich the content, offering readers insight into a life characterized by remarkable longevity, spiritual dedication, and altruistic service.

Thank you for considering this request. I look forward to the potential inclusion of Swami Sivananda's profile on your esteemed platform, ensuring his extraordinary legacy is acknowledged and shared with a global audience.

Yours sincerely,

Shashank (Journalist) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Journalist shashank (talk • contribs) 06:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Already suggested and rejected multiple times. See the archives for this talk page. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 07:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2024

There is a new oldest living person in the world. Their name is ”Deolira Glicéria Pedro da Silva”, a brazilian centenarian who is 119 years old. She is a resident of the city of Itaperuna, State of Rio de Janeiro. My suggestion is for you to add them to the list, state them as living, as a 119 year old. I hope i helped. Pedro Tangerino (talk) 15:21, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Greekcitytimes has been discussed before and is agreed to be unreliable. Jamedeus (talk) 17:32, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Regardless of source, does not meet the criteria for inclusion as she is older than the oldest verified person. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 18:32, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2024

amelia mcfarland born april 16 1915 in united states. she is my great grandma and we just celebrated her 109th birthday. if she qualifies can you please add her to this list. thank you 2601:58C:C081:FE80:7950:FE31:2EE6:337D (talk) 06:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Not now... Hi, generally to be on this list, the longevity claim needs to be verified by the Gerontology Research Group (GRG) or "LongeviQuest".

You may wish to contact the GRG first to initiate the process. Please note that only the oldest 50 living people are in the list, & the youngest is over 112 years old. Peaceray (talk) 16:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2024

Add that a woman, Lillian Elliot from Guyana that is alive was verified as born on July 31, 1909. The source to the newspaper article is here: https://uncutnews.co/2024/03/guyanas-oldest-resident-receives-gift-of-new-home-from-generous-philanthropist/ 24.186.141.111 (talk) 01:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Not now... Please see the comment below from Peaceray. The same applies. Softmist (talk) 04:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

100

Upon look at the edit history I see the list used to be 100 entries there was then a discussion to trim it down to the current size the discussion however was in favor of keeping the list at 100 the user seemingly overruled the consensus and trimmed it anyway I think that with more realablie sources for older people such as lq eso and las that a 100 person list can be maintained Wwew345t (talk) 05:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

It seems that one certain person whom I won't name rules all the Wiki "oldest people" pages with an iron fist. This person changes edits at will and for no reason except that she wants to. GermanShepherd1983 (talk) 00:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

The oldest living person is 126 years old

Turkish women named Ayşe Bayrı is borin in 1898 8th of june is still currently living and 126 years old there has been news interviews in Turkey, she saw 3 sultans and every president in Turkey, therefore i request an edit. Yours sincerely Akif 2A00:20:304F:69BA:E56B:D704:B581:3A4D (talk) 05:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done There is no inclusion without verification from reliable sources. What constitutes a reliable source on longevity? Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Longevity#Sourcing. Peaceray (talk) 05:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Peaceray, she does seem to be a real person.

https://www.ekonomim.com/yasam/126-yasindaki-ayse-bayri-3-padisah-ile-12-cumhurbaskani-gordu-haberi-750095 Llewee (talk) 14:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:WikiProject Longevity#Sourcing applies. Like WP:Identifying reliable sources (medicine), the governing WikiProject for this list is WP:WikiProject Longevity. See WP:Reliable sources#Reliability in specific contexts.

As WP:WikiProject Longevity#Database states, the Guinness World Records is a reliable source for ages, for dates of birth and death, and for whether an individual holds or held a record for human longevity. & Gerontology Research Group's (GRG) Table E (verified supercentenarians) has been found to be a reliable source because all entries in these tables are fact-checked according to the process outlined here.

WP:WikiProject Longevity#Obituaries and newspaper articles states that Newspaper-written articles and obituaries may or may not be reliable sources. When in doubt, ask editors at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard (RSN) whether a particular newspaper article is a reliable source for birth and/or death dates and age in a particular article. Thus, a single newspaper article may not be considered a reliable source for age.

Since the GRG seems to be the ultimate test of supercentenarians claims, I would suggest contacting them with the newspaper article.

I think that I have explained the process as best as I can. @DerbyCountyinNZ and Softmist:, you are two are among the most frequent editors who have recently edited this list. Do you have anything to add? @Georgia guy, TFBCT, and Newshunter12: You were once active pretty active here. Do you have anything to add? Peaceray (talk) 16:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

We can put her in the Longevity claims article. Georgia guy (talk) 16:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

 Resolved Thanks! I have added Ayşe Bayri to Longevity claims#Recent. Peaceray (talk) 18:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2024

missing in the list, add to list:

Hendrikje Schipper; 29 June 1890 – 30 August 2005) was a Dutch supercentenarian who lived to the age of 115 years, 62 days.

ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrikje_van_Andel-Schipper 2A02:2121:65B:1F70:6DAE:7FC0:BE8B:7D6 (talk) 16:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, this is the List of oldest living people. Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper died on August 30, 2005. She is no longer qualified to be on a list of the living. Peaceray (talk) 17:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:RSN

Regular contributors to this article may be interested in this discussion: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Gerontology research group. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Number(s) 34

I see listed, two ladies sharing the rank #34. Are they related, or is this just a massive coincidence that they share the same birthdate? 100.38.133.168 (talk) 15:26, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

They simply share the same birthdate. If one of them dies, we can change it to only one 34. Georgia guy (talk) 15:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2024

Alexis Sachiza (Northern Tibet) currently 119 years old Indigenous/East Asian descent 2604:3D09:697F:C000:B1E8:977A:CC8F:FA96 (talk) 22:54, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Belongs in Longevity claims, if there is a reliable source less than 2 years old. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 23:27, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

wait the natives of the US are eastern asians 2604:3D09:697F:C000:997F:CAC5:E1E7:99FD (talk) 20:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)