Talk:List of the last monarchs in Europe

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Controversies

I researched all the elements on the list and placed citations for them and during this process I came along several issues, that I think need to be discussed. Could we maybe add an extra column fore Notes where there is some controversy?

1. Victor Emmanuel III of Italy did reign as King of Albania between 1939 and 1943, but his reign appears as "partially recognized" in many sources and Zog I is generally considered to be (the first and) the last king of Albania.

2. Even more controversially, Tomislav II of Croatia was made king but never actually assumed his functions. He refused to assume the kingship and is referred to as "king designate".

3. I changed the date until which Ireland was ruled by the King of Greta Britain from 1937 to 1949, since the Constitution of 1937 didn't explicitly make Ireland a republic. The Republic of Ireland Act 1948 was the law that finally removed any link between the British Monarchy and the Republic of Ireland. I trust that's correct.

Can anybody who is more versed in such things recommend a solution for these items?

PraiseVivec (talk) 15:42, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Constitution of Ireland from 1937 is the same constitution that is current in Ireland today. If it's a republic now, it can't have been a monarchy then because there has been no relevant change in the constitution since then. The 1937 constitution establishes the office of President. DrKay (talk) 17:40, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This contemporary article (https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/from-the-archives-april-18th-1949-1.2178260) specifically mentions that Ireland became a Republic in 1949. While the Office of the President was established in 1937, it's unclear if the President was the sole Head of State or not between 1937 and 1949. In any case, during that period, the British monarch still had a constitutional role in Ireland, as per the Executive Authority (External Relations) Act 1936 which was only repealed through the 1948 Republic of Ireland Act. Would this not qualify the the King as a monarch of Ireland, which is the subject of this list? PraiseVivec (talk) 21:45, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, the article does not say that Ireland became a republic. It says the description of the state became republic. The Act said that the state could be officially described as a republic. This careful phrasing was deliberately chosen to avoid saying that the country became a republic because it already was one de facto. DrKay (talk) 21:52, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Abdicated/Deposed" as "reasons" they were last

These aren't especially useful in showing why they were the last monarchs. In most cases, a monarch's abdication or ouster doesn't automatically abolish the monarchy; they are succeeded by new monarchs, perhaps from a different royal house. These aren't reasons for cessation of the respective monarchy on their own and shouldn't be used at all. 100.40.29.68 (talk) 03:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]