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North American shootings

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Why is it that major North American shootings (off the top of my head I can think of the Eaton Center in Canada, Aurora in the US, and the recent Empire State Building) considered terrorist incidents to be listed on here? The majority of the ones on the page seem to be affiliated with religion, and that's not just what classifies terrorism. 64.229.153.184 (talk) 15:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    • The answer to your question is quite obvious, I believe - the definition of terrorism is worldwide. Shooting attacks that are racially or religiously motivated (or other types of attacks, such as the Denver cinema shooting, or Columbine) are not considered terrorism for a variety of reasons that you can find out for yourself, if you search around a little bit. Also, keep in mind this list is not updated daily and sometimes it takes a while for events to become clear enough so as they can be included here - for example, the recent events in Benghazi - if proven to be a terrorist attack, they will be included in the list. Hope this helps... Skycycle (talk) 00:46, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry no. Yuor definition of terrorism is not the only one prevaent. you cant say "do a little resarch", if you want to assert this the onus is on you to prove this is the case and not personal opinion (a la IDONTLIKEIT). There certainly is not 1 definition of terrorism worldwide, thats an opinion. There is state and non-state sterrorism.Originally meaning political violence, it has [duiously been expanded]. racial and religions violence (particualrly the latter) are a product of politics. Just because estalished state institutions done label it so doesnt change the meaining.Lihaas (talk) 07:13, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • To begin with, it would be great if you could proof-read your comments, since they are full of typos. Disregarding that for the moment, you are correct that there is no universally accepted definition of terrorism. However, this debate has occurred before and there needs to be a clear line. Most governments and NGOs accept terrorism as an attack by an individual or a group that is designed to inflict damage (be it physical, financial, collateral, etc) and intimidating a population\government\organization into doing (or abstain from doing) a certain act. It can be politically motivated, or based along religious lines - the two often overlap in modern times. In 2004 the UN said this on the subject:

"...criminal acts, including against civilians, committed with the intent to cause death or serious bodily injury, or taking of hostages, with the purpose to provoke a state of terror in the general public or in a group of persons or particular persons, intimidate a population or compel a government or an international organization to do or to abstain from doing any act, which constitute offences within the scope of and as defined in the international conventions and protocols relating to terrorism, are under no circumstances justifiable by considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other similar nature..."

The EU defined terrorist offences in 2002 as:

"...given their nature or context, may seriously damage a country or an international organisation where committed with the aim of: seriously intimidating a population; or unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act; or seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism#In_international_law

So you see, attacks such as the Wisconsin shooting cannot make it on to this list unless, let's say, there was a written statement behind the attack, claiming it for some purpose - or the attacker belonged to a proven terror organization, etc etc. Numerous shootings occur every year, most of them either committed by mentally deranged attackers, people that have decided to end their life ('suicide-by-cop') and so on - IMO, a very small percentage of these can be labeled as 'terrorist'. Anyway, this is a long debate, and if you really want to have it, I'm sure others can join too and present you with more reasons why the sky is blue ;) Skycycle (talk) 17:40, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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RfC: terrorist incidents list criteria

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 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of terrorist incidents#RfC: List criteria. – Levivich 17:55, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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