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September 2006 merge proposal

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The result was No consensus to merge -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 04:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into sculpture of NYC? There must be thousands. That's just crazy talk.--Knulclunk 03:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see. This page is severely underpopulated, I would suggest missing approximately 2000 sculptures. The Outdoor sculpture in New York City page is slim too. A huge undertaking, to be sure. The Central park page is the only healthy one in the group. I would beef these other two articles up before approaching the List of sculptures in Central Park. Oppose merge.--Knulclunk 03:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Vain effort

I see there are over 5000 items in the Commons:Category:Sculptures in the Metropolitan Museum of Art category tree alone, and don't see any prospect of organizing even a hundred of those into wikilist format. So, might as well give up such an undertaking in the early 21st century. Better to merge the outdoors ones that are already listed here into the outdoor list, which has some hope of becoming 5% complete in the lifetime of current editors.

I think I'll just reduce this to a redirect to Outdoor sculpture in New York City. Both lists have been, through their entire history, entirely about the same items; this one is merely mostly illustrated and much less complete. Where it is illustrated, it is redundant to the article about the particular work, and where it is not, that's because of copyright. So, this article fails to contribute. Jim.henderson (talk) 03:31, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm...

This list is very vague and very incomplete. Even worth keeping? I could see WP possibly having public art lists for each borough, but even those would be long. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:57, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ham II, Epicgenius, Carptrash, and Johnbod: Pinging a few active editors for their thoughts. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:57, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it should probably be split by borough. epicgenius (talk) 18:59, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So...

I'd propose we just delete this list and create new ones from scratch... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:00, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Something like that, except I'd go with moving this page to Lists of statues and sculptures in New York City, and make this a landing page similar to Lists of New York City landmarks. epicgenius (talk) 19:53, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How about a separate 'List of colossal statues in New York City', which might be an interesting subtopic. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:20, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My thought is that if one was seriously to tackle this article it would have (carpmath) 1,000 or so entries. I think AB's idea of breaking it down into boroughs MIGHT make it doable. I didn't know about this article but I would be interested in helping expand the borough articles, should we go that route. RK's colossal idea is interesting, I'd like a definition of "colossal" to begin with. Also there is a lot of architectural sculpture to be considered. Or not. Carptrash (talk) 23:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe a NYC colossal statue list could augment AB's (and Ham II below) good and ambitious plan, with the colossals being listed on both. The statue page defines 'Colossal' statue as one twice life-size (although that doesn't seem very colossal compared to really colossal). Randy Kryn (talk) 11:41, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Another Believer: I like this idea a lot. How's this for a plan? Redirect Outdoor sculpture in New York City and List of statues and sculptures in New York City to a new List of public art in New York City. (Cf. various pages at Category:Lists of public art in the United States.) The new page can link to pages for the individual boroughs, as with List of public art in Washington, D.C. and List of public art in London. Then start populating the borough lists with the contents of the two existing lists. Ham II (talk) 11:31, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ham II, Thanks. I've moved Outdoor sculpture in New York City to List of public art in New York City, and redirected List of statues and sculptures in New York City to List of public art in New York City. I've also added red links for each borough. I know this makes the list look a bit sloppy now, but I'm thinking long-term here. I invite any and all editors to help with further creation/improvements! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:58, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And I see no reason that Randy Kryn could not start the colossal list, which could duplicate the others. Carptrash (talk) 16:33, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Except for my procrastination, site-wandering, and non-expertise in coding, sounds good, thanks. For now editing attention should be on AB's large ongoing and important project though, which already is well underway and looking good. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:56, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder what counts as colossal, though. Statue of Liberty, yes. But I can't think of anything else. Then again I know next to nothing about public sculptures in NYC. epicgenius (talk) 21:51, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One place to check out, @Epicgenius: is Category:Colossal statues in the United States. A quick look suggests to me that at least Manship's Prometheus is in NYC, there could be more. Carptrash (talk) 20:00, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Carptrash, cool, thanks. I don't suppose Unconditional Surrender (sculpture) fits (it was only temporarily displayed in NYC) but there might be something else we're missing. epicgenius (talk) 23:36, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]