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Serbian Krajania

This entity is not listed as independent,but it did have defacto indepdence in the 1990's and declared its independence in 1992.XavierGreen (talk) 18:44, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Serbian Krajina was de facto self governing but it never actually declared independence so it's listed under Croatia. Orange Tuesday (talk) 18:58, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
No they declared independence in 1992 see [[1]] i can provide littorally hundreds of sources stating that they declared independence. The Serbian Krajina wiki page states this as well.XavierGreen (talk) 19:30, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
You can find a detailed factual account beginning on Page 44 of this UN document. [2] but to summarize the relevant points:
  • On 21 December 1990, the SAO Krajina was declared as an autonomous region of the Republic of Croatia (which, at the time, was a part of Yugoslavia)
  • On 16 May 1991, the SAO Krajina declared itself to be a part of the Republic of Serbia (again, within Yugoslavia.)
  • On 19 Dec 1991, the SAO Krajina declared itself to be the Republic of Serbian Krajina (still claiming to be within Yugoslavia)
  • On 26 Feb 1992, the SAO Western Slavonia and the SAO Eastern Slavonia, Baranja and Western Syrmia joined the Republic of Serbian Krajina.
The dates for 1991 and 1992 are often given as the dates of "independence" for the RSK, because they did mark the points at which those territories had some kind of de facto independence. but there were no actual formal independence declarations on either of those dates. As far as I can tell the most they ever did was claim to be separate from Croatia. Orange Tuesday (talk) 22:23, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Disputed

Palestine is not a sovereign state and many references indicate this. The entry should be deleted from this article, but until then the disputed/no source tags are appropriate. This is currently under discussion on the Dispute Resolution board. 99.237.236.218 (talk) 15:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

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How to list the FR Yugoslavia and the SFR Yugoslavia?

How should these two countries be listed? Separately or merged as one and the same, as it is now? – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 02:32, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I went ahead and split it into two different entries for the time being, with the FRY and alphabetized under "S" under the name "Serbia and Montenegro". I've also reciprocated on List of sovereign states in the 2000s as well. My reasoning for all this is that the editor consensus across Wikipedia seems to be that the FRY or SCG were the same country and that the FRY and SFRY were two different countries, as per the Badinter Commission's ruling. This is evidenced by the Yugoslavia article, which says the country ended in 1992 (which is also in line with the Badinter Commission's decision) and the article detailing the FRY being located under the name Serbia and Montenegro. Thus I've listed it here on this article under that name, as it is good to maintain consistency across the board to avoid confusing editors and readers alike as they navigate the various articles here.

That said, I must say that I'm not 100% comfortable with this arrangement, because I can't escape this nagging feeling in the back of my mind where I can't help but wonder if this is a North Macedonia/Macedonia type situation, where the country's name has changed, but we consider it to be the same country for all intents and purposes and also do not apply the new name retroactively (kind of like when a person changes their name they're still the same person, e.g. Ron Artest or Chad Ochocinco). Then again there is a difference in that the FRY was sometimes called "Serbia and Montenegro" during its existence (e.g. the 2000 CIA World Factbook entry for it lists it under the latter moniker), whereas pretty much nobody on Earth referred to the state of Macedonia as "North Macedonia" before the name change was announced as part of the Prespa Agreement last year (and made official this year).

Admittedly, all this is very confusing, thus I'm having second thoughts where I'm sort of now leaning towards listing the FRY under "Y" but making clear that it's a different Yugoslavia than the SFRY, as per editor consensus and the Badinter Commission's decision. Indeed, Afghanistan is already listed in this manner, to represent both the Taliban-ruled statelet and the UN-recognized government. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 15:37, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

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