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Proposed merge with List of unreleased songs by Radiohead

Two article are not needed, all the information can be easily presented in one article. RF23 (talk) 06:35, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm undecided. I created the List of unreleased songs by Radiohead article several years ago, and it included extensive information about unreleased songs that had received a lot of coverage, such as Lift, Man of War, and True Love Waits. After those songs were released (and now have their own pages), the article got a lot less useful. I even considered nominating it for deletion a while ago.

Merging it into into this page might be a good compromise, but something else bothers me. The title of the article you want to merge to is "List of songs recorded by Radiohead". We don't know how many of the unreleased songs have been recorded. Perhaps we should rename the target article to "List of songs by Radiohead"? (Or just "List of Radiohead songs" for simplicity.) Popcornduff (talk) 08:13, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with renaming it, as most, if not all, song pages on WP following the naming convention "List of songs recorded by...". I also just checked the unreleased page and according to that, all unreleased songs by them have been recorded at least once, whether in studio or during soundchecks. I'll support merging it, as there can just be a 'released songs' section and an 'unreleased songs' section, but I won't support renaming the whole page. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 15:45, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't think a song being recorded by a fan at a soundcheck qualifies as a "song recorded by Radiohead", unfortunately. Popcornduff (talk) 00:26, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

None of the songs on the unreleased page say they were only recorded by fans. If that's the case then that song isn't really a Radiohead song and should be removed from that page. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 02:06, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't follow your logic. All the songs discussed on that page are backed by reliable sources saying the song exists in some form. It doesn't matter whether the song has been recorded or performed. Popcornduff (talk) 05:15, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, earlier you said it's possible the band has written songs they have never recorded, which is very much true. But on the unreleased songs page, it describes every unreleased song as having been recorded properly by Radiohead, whether live or in-studio; possible exceptions include "Follow Me Around", which states only Yorke and J. Greenwood performed it, and "I Froze Up", which was performed by Yorke solo and with Atoms for Peace. These songs I don't think qualify as "Radiohead" songs, but I'm not a major fan, so I'll leave that for others to decide. Ultimately, I think it's justifiable to merge the two lists and just make the unreleased songs their own section. It does help that every songs is sourced. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 20:58, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm really confused. on the unreleased songs page, it describes every unreleased song as having been recorded properly by Radiohead, whether live or in-studio Where does it say that? It's simply a list of Radiohead songs we know about that haven't been released. It's fine to describe them as Radiohead songs because so do the sources.

In any case, this is probably all immaterial. Personally, I'm not persuaded that the list belongs anywhere on Wikipedia (are these unreleased songs particularly notable?) but I don't mind whether they have their own page, get merged into this, or end up deleted. If other people wanna merge, I can go with it. Popcornduff (talk) 05:45, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm fine with merging as well. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 15:58, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

As far as I know there's no rule saying article titles need to be 100% literal.RF23 (talk) 05:34, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

• I personally think unreleased song information usually only interests hardcore fans, it doesn't really belong on Wikipedia. My suggestion would be to redirect the unreleased songs list here without merging anything. (Note: This does not hinder my support vote at the FLC, imo this list is perfect)--NØ 20:21, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

• I think this would be my preference too. When I created the article, Radiohead had several well-known unreleased songs that had been extensively covered by independent sources. Now those songs have been released, I don't think we need to cover the rest anywhere. Popcornduff (talk) 03:25, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

• I support merging or deleting. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 03:50, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

It's been a few days. As no one wants to keep List of unreleased songs by Radiohead, I've boldly redirected it here. I personally don't think, on reflection, that the information is worth merging into this article, but if anyone wants to go ahead and do that, knock yourself out. Popcornduff (talk) 13:30, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

@Popcornduff: As you are probably aware, I reverted the aforementioned WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT. Alternatively, I'd recommend nominating List of unreleased songs by Radiohead for WP:AFD if there is both no intent to actually merge anything from there into this article and/or there will not be a section dedicated to unreleased songs created in this article to point List of unreleased songs by Radiohead if it is a redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 20:30, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Steel1943 (talk · contribs) I don't understand. Why did you revert? Popcornduff (talk) 23:35, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

@Popcornduff: Along the lines of what I said: Since there is no specific, organized list of unreleased songs at the target, I consider it an invalid WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT. Steel1943 (talk) 23:44, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

OK. I'm bored of this myself. Would anyone like to nominate for deletion? RF23? BeatlesLedTV?

I've deprodded List of unreleased songs by Radiohead because (1) editors above have supported a merge, therefore implicitly opposed deletion, therefore deletion would not have been uncontroversial (and uncontroversial deletions are what WP:PROD is for); and (2) because the nominator's rationale that "The songs discussed on this page aren't notable" runs counter to the guidance of WP:LISTN, which says "Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable". An AFD discussion might be more productive, though I think I'd !vote to keep the list – unreleased songs by Radiohead "been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources" (WP:LISTN again): see Pitchfork, NME. Merging would be preferable to deleting though, and either would be preferable to redirecting to an article without any information about unreleased songs. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 13:57, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Can someone (not me) just nom his for AFD already? Popcornduff (talk) 14:21, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Well, no one else has done anything, and I'd really like to see this wrapped up, so I've nominated the page for deletion. This is a situation where the technical details of Wikipedia policy have moved beyond my comprehension so I've just nominated it and hopefully consensus will take us to whatever the correct outcome is. Popcornduff (talk) 13:42, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Talks about unrelease tracks the Ok Computer Minidisk leak?

there are so many unreleased tracks there in the 18 hours worth of recordings there. anyone wants to take not of it? 112.201.33.72 (talk) 12:03, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

We can't add anything until reliable independent sources cover them. Popcornduff (talk) 13:39, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

news outlets are talking about them. well, they didn't say anything about the leaks at the moment, but still. we can also have archives of the files as a source material. 112.201.33.72 (talk) 12:51, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Some thoughts

@Zmbro: Thanks for helping with Killer Cars just now.

Some thoughts -

1) According to the colour code, purple "Indicates song released on a single". I would have thought B-sides would therefore be coloured purple, as by pretty much definition they're released on singles. Is there a reason this isn't the case? Maybe this should be "Indicates song released as a single"?

2) There's at least two versions of Killer Cars - for example another version, "Killer Cars (Mogadon Version)", was released on the Just single. Should we add that too? For comparison, I notice we have both versions of "Morning Bell"...

3) Are we excluding live versions? It seems like it, because we don't have versions of songs from the I Might Be Wrong live album. But if so, why is True Love Waits on there as a live version?

4) Should we add the songs released on MiniDiscs (Hacked)?

Cheers. Popcornfud (talk) 17:59, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Popcornfud 1) I think we should remove the single colors altogether. Other editors pointed out on some of my FLCs that it's not needed as that's more for their discography. We should still say "Non-album single"/B-side, etc. but I think having singles colored just floods the page too much.

2)That's good to note. It baffles me how I missed "Killer Cars" when I was adding in all the refs and whatnot but at least it's here now. What we can do is add an efn to "Killer Cars" saying "another version, titled "Killer Cars (Mogadon Version)", was released as a B-side to "Just"." And if we have a book or source indicating what the difference is between the two versions that would be helpful but not entirely needed.

3)Yes. Live versions are excluded because they're all the same songs; unless they happened to have been performed live only and never recorded in the studio, as was the case of "True Love Waits" until A Moon Shaped Pool. From my research when I was writing this, "True Love Waits" was first performed during The Bends tour (1995) and didn't appear on an actual album until the live I Might Be Wrong. Radiohead worked on the song during the sessions for OK Computer and Kid A (a portion later appeared on Minidiscs) and was before then much sought-after among Radiohead fans. Since the band finally released a studio version in 2016 on A Moon Shaped Pool, I feel it's important to note both IMBR and AMSP recordings as it shows that the song was in the Radiohead canon for over 20 years before they finally got around to making it properly.

4)I don't think the tracks on Minidiscs should be noted in the table but rather in the lead. All the tracks are collections of demos, unreleased material, and live performances from the OK Computer era and total over 16 hours. The band themselves didn't even indicate which songs are in each track – fans had to do that themselves. If we want to mention it in the lead that would be good, but since the tracks are not one song but a large collection, putting them in the table seems unjust to me. – zmbro _(talk) 18:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Zmbro, thanks for this response. I think your reasoning here is sound. Regarding 3) I'm not sure why we'd include both versions of Morning Bell but not both versions of Killer Cars, but don't feel strongly about it. Popcornfud (talk) 18:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Zmbro, incidentally, do you happen to know if My Iron Lung was released just as an EP, or also as a single? There seems to be some confusion about this and I can't find any sources to clear it up. Popcornfud (talk) 11:24, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Popcornfud "My Iron Lung" was originally released on an EP of the same name before The Bends; it later appeared on that album. The wiki page says it was a single but I'm not sure if it was. I'm for certain that it's a song that appeared on an EP of the same name before reappearing on The Bends. – zmbro _(talk) 13:47, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Zmbro, thanks. I'm confused because lots of sources refer to My Iron Lung as a single, such as this 1997 article (which is a great source with lots of interviews). There also seems to be lots of versions of My Iron Lung on Discogs, some with shorter tracklists. Popcornfud (talk) 13:50, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Kid A reissue

Hi Popcornfud! After reading this article, it looks like a reissue of Kid A will be happening very soon to celebrate its 20th anniversary that will be in vein of OK Computer OKNOTOK 1997 2017. We should keep this in mind in case any unreleased songs from this period get released on it, similar to how "I Promise", "Lift" and "Man of War" saw release on OKNOTOK. Also wondering if they will release another album, since it's been four years since A Moon Shaped Pool. – zmbro _(talk) 15:08, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Zmbro, yes, it seems something may be on the cards. However, we're less than 2 months from the Kid A anniversary now and nothing has been announced. I'm certainly keeping my ear to the ground. Would be fun to make an article for it.

Based on recent interviews with the band members, we're very unlikely to get a new Radiohead album for some time, though. It seems they're focusing on solo work for now. Popcornfud (talk) 15:19, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Popcornfud, About. Damn. Time. – zmbro _(talk) 19:39, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Zmbro, no kidding. Been waiting to write that article for too long now! Popcornfud (talk) 19:41, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Popcornfud, For real. In hindsight, it makes total sense why they would bundle the two together though. Are we going to add the new tracks to the table now? – zmbro _(talk) 20:18, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Zmbro, just speculating, but I have a feeling it was delayed by the pandemic, or something else. Not sure why they wouldn't have wanted to release it for the Kid A anniversary instead of the Amnesiac one.

Anyway, sure, I guess adding the songs to the table would make sense... unless it's better to wait until after they're released? I don't feel strongly either way. Popcornfud (talk) 20:21, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Popcornfud, Yeah you're probably right. Let's wait until November so we can have the proper refs and whatnot. – zmbro _(talk) 20:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Zmbro, well, we have reliable sources covering this already, so it's not a matter of refs... I think? Popcornfud (talk) 20:28, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Popcornfud, Valid point. I meant in terms of IDs for liner notes. I also normally like to just wait until release day to add these things because you never know when things will get delayed (it happens) and then we have to go back and fix things; it's much easier to just do it on release day, Feel me? – zmbro _(talk) 20:31, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Zmbro, yeah sure, fine with me. Also slightly strange, maybe, to list a bunch of songs as kind of "existing" before they're out yet. Popcornfud (talk) 20:33, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Popcornfud, I mean I don't really have an opinion on it but if you want to change something go right ahead. – zmbro _(talk) 20:37, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 6 June 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Calidum 13:53, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

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List of songs recorded by Radiohead → List of Radiohead songs – WP:CONCISE - and this article also includes unreleased songs we don't know have ever been recorded. (talk) 14:15, 23 May 2021 (UTC) Popcornfud (talk) 11:07, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose: For consistency's sake, we should keep the current name. See Lists_of_songs#By_artist
• Oppose the naming convention in Category:Lists of songs recorded by British artists appears to be "List of songs recorded by band". List of Radiohead songs would be slightly ambigious, as it would hint at excluding cover versions. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:55, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

  Lugnuts, List of Radiohead songs would be slightly ambigious, as it would hint at excluding cover versions. This is a good point that I hadn't considered - though note our current article is also slightly ambiguous as it includes unreleased songs Radiohead potentially haven't recorded. Considering the article contains no covers and contains unreleased songs, I think the proposed new title is actually less ambiguous and potentially a reason to deviate from the other page titles. Popcornfud (talk) 17:08, 7 June 2021 (UTC) edit: unless you're saying the title might sound like the article should contain the covers they haven't recorded, like Nobody Does it Better. Popcornfud (talk) 17:19, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I honestly thought they had released Nobody Does It Better somewhere other than the live MTV version! I guess not. Maybe List of songs by Radiohead is better? Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:25, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Oppose: Agree with the above. – zmbro _(talk) 03:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

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