Talk:List of songs about or referencing serial killers

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keep, 26 August 2010, see discussion.
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no consensus, July 9 2007, see discussion.

Gary Gilmore?

"Bring on the Night" is about Gary Gilmore? Can anyone find a citation? Bunnygod888 05:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I looked around the net a bit and found most were some copies of wikipedia. Discussion in a forum indicates that Sting spoke about this in an interview. Folks in the forum have quotes and mention a source. Anybody have access to these? If not, I'd say remove it. -MrFizyx 15:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Second AfD

Also closed as no consensus. A strong point was made that this should be referenced more properly. Note, however, that the songs themselves act as primary sources so it's unfair to simply view the whole list as entirely unreferenced but the concerns about original synthesis need to be addressed further. Pascal.Tesson 19:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

I think according the the second AFD songs in this article should be sourced or face removal from the article if not an obvious entry CitiCat^♫ 19:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One comment in the second debate was that Eminem's "'97 Bonnie and Clyde", wasn't "about Bonnie and Clyde"--and that its inclusion was an obvious error and a demonstration of just how bad the list was.... The person complaining also didn't bother to remove that item. My view is that although the lyrics are probably not about Bonnie and Clyde, the title, however, makes it an obvious musical reference to them. I'd leave it in, but I also won't object to its removal. If someone wishes to follow a different standard.

My suggestion for anyone wanting to clean-up would be to (a) start looking for references for titles that don't include the name of the "killer", and (b) to expand to include any titles that can be referenced with the souces now listed as "further reading". List of car crash songs and List of songs about school are now examples of "songs about..." articles that are relatively well sourced. Lack of of sources and original research seem to be the most common complaint about these sorts of lists. -MrFizyx 22:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Ted Bundy The Jane's Addiction song got deleted from the list as it's not about this Ted; rather, it's about the Ted Turner of CNN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.156.164.81 (talk) 12:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also a problem with "Zodiac Shift" by Flying Lotus. The song is instrumental EDM and is on an album called "Cosmogramma" so it is far more likely that the use of "zodiac" refers to the stellar concept, not the killer. andersole (talk) 21:50, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Recent cleanup

I alphabetized according to last name, per near-universal convention. Where the real identity of a killer is unknown, I listed according to the first main word in the popular name/pseudonym. For example, "Jack the Ripper" is listed under "J." When a duo was listed together, I alphabetized according to the last name of the member whose name comes first in the alphabet, so Eric Harris and Dylan Kliebold are listed under "H." Exception: "Bonnie and Clyde," who are overwhelmingly recognized according to that dyad of first names. A future improvement could list members of duos separately, with a "See X" direction (For example: "Clyde Barrow: See Bonnie and Clyde.").

Since this a list of songs, different covers of the same song need not be listed. If a song is popular enough to have multiple covers, it will (or should) have its own article, where those covers can be mentioned. Songs whose authors or performers are not notable should be excluded, to prevent this from becoming an indiscriminate repository for songs by countless local bands who aren't famous (yet).

Song titles should be followed by author, along with a citation of sheet music or a major recording of the song. Where a song's subject is not obvious from the song title, there should be citation and quoting of the pertinent lyrics. I'm not prepared to undertake this improvement at this time. I'm also not crazy about giving each killer their own heading, especially since a lot of them have only one or a few songs. We'll see if anyone else jumps in. Good luck to you. Nick Graves (talk) 05:24, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Title change

This page should be simply titled 'list of songs about or referencing to killers' as I think it was previously, many of the people listed are not serial killers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.175.143.16 (talk) 01:13, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seconding this. Several are murderers, not serial killers. andersole (talk) 21:50, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody will care about me but I was coming here to pitch the exact same idea. It could be changed to "referencing mass killers" "mass murderers and serial killers", etc. 174.56.14.108 (talk) 05:03, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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This needs a section for songs about serial killers in general

The list as is only includes songs about specific killers; I feel it should also have a section listing songs about serial killers or serial killing in general, such as Psycho Killer by the Talking Heads or If I Was A Serial Killer by Insane Clown Posse — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.121.6.113 (talk) 22:32, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]