Talk:List of single-artist museums
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Josef and Anni Albers – Josef and Anni Albers Foundation, Bethany, Connecticut
[edit]This entry: Josef and Anni Albers – Josef and Anni Albers Foundation, Bethany, Connecticut was removed by Staib on the grounds that it is not a single-artist museum. I believe that the Albers meets the criteria for this list article due to the life-long resonant quality between their works. It is hard to think of one without thinking of the other. I am bringing it here to talk for other editors to weigh-in on whether or not the Albers Foundation museum should be included. Netherzone (talk) 19:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
A sea of red links
[edit]Randy Kryn says:
- a sea of red links [is] not Wikipedia style, if a page isn't written as of now it's not likely to be written, say, within a month, so red links are not the way to go
I don't strongly disagree.
The pattern seems to be:
- [[Artist article]] – [[Article on museum devoted to artist]], where the museum is.
What about the following:
- [[Artist's name, redirecting to article on museum]] – [[Article on museum devoted to artist]]
- Unlinked name of artist – [[Article on museum devoted to artist]]
- [[Artist article]] – [[Museum's name, redirecting to article on artist]]
- [[Artist article]] – Unlinked name of museum
- [[Artist article]] – [[What looks like a one-person museum, but actually is just part of a larger museum (which alone gets an article)]]
They all look dodgy to me. I'd link them all. Doing so might encourage creation of the missing articles. Where it fails to do so in a reasonable time, remove the entry.The "sea" needn't last long. -- Hoary (talk) 07:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Hoary. I'd keep the order and direct links as is (artist, museum, location), which seems logical. There are only two artist's without pages, so that aspect isn't a problem. I haven't counted the museums which are not blue-linked. Red links are unsightly and usually don't help in having an article written, which is why a time is designated (if an article hasn't been written in a few weeks the link is liable to stay red for a long time), and this page has been up a long time. Another aspect of this page is that it is not heavily viewed (the current rate is 24 views a day), so is a good list page for those who are actually interested in familiarizing themselves with single-artist museums, either as a total-universe of museums or one or two in particular. Would be nice if every museum has an article, but those come when they come. I don't think a lot of red-links on a page help but actually hurt the page-experience, a route avoidable when possible. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:27, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- OK , if this is the way you like it. But it is so close to Category:Museums devoted to one artist that I wonder if it's as useful as it could be. How about sorting it by the nation where the museum stands (and of course for each nation, retain alphabetical order of artists)? -- Hoary (talk) 12:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- Mixed into nations, readers couldn't really tell where to look if they are searching for a particular person and don't know their nationality, but I can see your point. As for category, that's a different thing, lists and categories (as well as navboxes) are deemed and designed to work with each other as various routes to the desired pages (even if they overlap, which is fine). You seem to have ideas for the page (and thanks for taking an interest in it, I've liked it too), what pops into my noggin is maybe a series of images can run down the right side of the page which usually looks and offers another option for reader-connection. Maybe you can leave a note at the visual-arts Wikiproject for more comments, we both seem to have our own visualization of the page and hopefully by this discussion can add much to it, and others may have further ideas. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:59, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- I meant the nationality of the museum, not that of the artist. Looking for "Botero" would then be no more difficult than Ctrl-f botero. (True, looking for "Colombia" now is no more difficult than Ctrl-f colombia.) With a different OS, something rather different, but similarly simple. Looking for "Georgia", on the other hand..... Hoary (talk) 13:52, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- All Greek to me, I never use and know nothing about those ctl and other shortcuts, and just look for the item on the page. Maybe that could be a sorting, but possibly better to go for continents than individual nations (not enough to matter in some)? Randy Kryn (talk) 15:55, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- Command-f if you're using MacOS; "Find in page" if you're using Android. Though come to think of it, how to find-in-page may well vary with the particular browser as well as the OS. Currently the list has just one museum in Colombia but seven in NY state alone; there's something to be said for inconsistent "granularity" [?]: at its extreme, the US could be divided into its individual states, and South America all clumped together as "South America". After all, if people later create a dozen articles on Argentinian and Uruguayan museums, etc, "South America" can then be split up into its constituent nations. Oh but hang on -- Colombia is sometimes regarded as belonging to Central America. And indeed there are various similar disagreements (notably about where to draw the line between Asia and Europe), mostly amicable, but with opportunities for time-wasting fanatics. So I'd only divide by continents if the division could (of course in this talk page, not in the list itself) cite some MoS page that has prescribed the borders of these continents. I think I've seen such a page, but I can't recall where. (There has been this, but it's "dormant", by now a euphemism for "dead for a decade".) -- Hoary (talk) 23:33, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the computer tips, but I leave that stuff alone and just type like the keyboard is for a typewriter. All good points above. Personally, I prefer the page as it is. Easy to understand and provides a good overview for someone just catching up on the topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:47, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- Command-f if you're using MacOS; "Find in page" if you're using Android. Though come to think of it, how to find-in-page may well vary with the particular browser as well as the OS. Currently the list has just one museum in Colombia but seven in NY state alone; there's something to be said for inconsistent "granularity" [?]: at its extreme, the US could be divided into its individual states, and South America all clumped together as "South America". After all, if people later create a dozen articles on Argentinian and Uruguayan museums, etc, "South America" can then be split up into its constituent nations. Oh but hang on -- Colombia is sometimes regarded as belonging to Central America. And indeed there are various similar disagreements (notably about where to draw the line between Asia and Europe), mostly amicable, but with opportunities for time-wasting fanatics. So I'd only divide by continents if the division could (of course in this talk page, not in the list itself) cite some MoS page that has prescribed the borders of these continents. I think I've seen such a page, but I can't recall where. (There has been this, but it's "dormant", by now a euphemism for "dead for a decade".) -- Hoary (talk) 23:33, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- All Greek to me, I never use and know nothing about those ctl and other shortcuts, and just look for the item on the page. Maybe that could be a sorting, but possibly better to go for continents than individual nations (not enough to matter in some)? Randy Kryn (talk) 15:55, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- I meant the nationality of the museum, not that of the artist. Looking for "Botero" would then be no more difficult than Ctrl-f botero. (True, looking for "Colombia" now is no more difficult than Ctrl-f colombia.) With a different OS, something rather different, but similarly simple. Looking for "Georgia", on the other hand..... Hoary (talk) 13:52, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- Mixed into nations, readers couldn't really tell where to look if they are searching for a particular person and don't know their nationality, but I can see your point. As for category, that's a different thing, lists and categories (as well as navboxes) are deemed and designed to work with each other as various routes to the desired pages (even if they overlap, which is fine). You seem to have ideas for the page (and thanks for taking an interest in it, I've liked it too), what pops into my noggin is maybe a series of images can run down the right side of the page which usually looks and offers another option for reader-connection. Maybe you can leave a note at the visual-arts Wikiproject for more comments, we both seem to have our own visualization of the page and hopefully by this discussion can add much to it, and others may have further ideas. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:59, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- OK , if this is the way you like it. But it is so close to Category:Museums devoted to one artist that I wonder if it's as useful as it could be. How about sorting it by the nation where the museum stands (and of course for each nation, retain alphabetical order of artists)? -- Hoary (talk) 12:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)