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"Originally" and "first"

Most of the "originally" and "first" references are incorrect. Generally, these stories were published in other things before they were published in books. We should probably say Published 1990 (for instance) instead of First published 1990. __Elaqueate (talk) 09:27, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

This sounds reasonable to me, thanks. Go ahead if you feel like correcting it. --Jackentasche (talk) 15:21, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Carried Away: A Selection of Stories (2006) / Alice Munro's Best: A Selection of Stories (2008)

Amazon says that Carried Away has the story “The Love of a Good Woman”. I don't know where the source for this list was and can't check it myself to see if it has other problems.... __Elaqueate (talk) 17:31, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Why not ask the author :-) For the named two TOCs my sources are: title page scan of "Carried Away" and title page scan of "Alice Munro's Best". These scans were found via the Swiss catalogues listed in Karlsruhe Virtual Catalog. --Jackentasche (talk) 19:22, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Oh that's awesome. I bet the publisher sent promotional material to Amazon before they had the book settled and stories finalized. That happens all of the time. Thanks for checking though! __Elaqueate (talk) 20:04, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Actually, the source you name I would never trust, and, btw, not even name it. I have developed a habit of using sources that have no interest in selling neither their information nor anything else, for that matter. And I think that this habit produces reliable information. And yes, I agree that the value provided by this service of the network of Swiss libraries is awesome, indeed. --Jackentasche (talk) 05:33, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Close Reading of "The Bear Came Over the Mountain" (story)

Recently, a readers' debate has been started on Munro's story "The Bear Came Over the Mountain" (2001 version, the last story in the collection by the same title). This is to say, neither the film is being discussed, nor the version that has been made available online by The New Yorker in 2013 (which seems to be an earlier, much shorter, and less well constructed version of the story published 2001). On 25 October, this debate was started on de.wikipedia.org, see here for a preview of the range of topics under debate. In case you do not read German, you might want to try some automatic translation. Anyway, over on that page, contributions to the debate are welcome in any language. If anybody shows any interest here, I might volunteer to do a summary of the debate. We might also start a new one here, of course. --Jackentasche (talk) 06:15, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Reorganize into table format? (done)

(draft version, please comment) I think we might reorganize this data into table format. With the data of the alphabetical list, my idea would be to do something like this :

Title 1st '96 '03 '04 '06 '11 Comment
"A Queer Streak" 1986
"A Real Life" 1994
"A Trip to the Coast" 1968
"A Wilderness Station" 1994 x x
"Accident" 1977
"Age of Faith" 1971
"Ally and Lizzy" 1971
"Amundsen" 2012
"An Ounce of Cure" 1968
"Axis" 2011-01-31
"Baptizing" 1971
"Bardon Bus" 1977 2003
"Before the Change" 1998
"Boys and Girls" 1968
"Carried Away" 1994 x x x x
"Family Furnishings" The New Yorker[1] 2001
"Floating Bridge" The New Yorker[2] 2001
"Hateship, Friendship, Courtship, Loveship, Marriage" 2001 x x x x 51 p. 2001
"Home" 2006 The Virginia Quarterly Review[3] 2006[4] Available on the Web
"Nettles" The New Yorker[5] 2001
"Post and Beam" The New Yorker[6] 2001
"Queenie" London Review of Books[7] [8] 2001
"The Bear Came Over the Mountain" The New Yorker[9] 2001
"The love of a Good Woman" 1996-12-23, 1996-12-30 The New Yorker[10]

--Jackentasche (talk) 18:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC), [various], 15:07, 18 October 2013 (UTC), 11:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC), --Jackentasche (talk) 14:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Done, see article. --Jackentasche (talk) 08:25, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
  1. ^ 2001 edition, p. iv.
  2. ^ 2001 edition, p. iv.
  3. ^ "Home" by Alice Munro
  4. ^ As yet unclear which of the two came first, ref available?
  5. ^ 2001 edition, p. iv.
  6. ^ 2001 edition, p. iv.
  7. ^ 2001 edition, p. iv.
  8. ^ "and subsequently in book form by Profile Books Ltd., London", see 2001 edition, p. iv.
  9. ^ 2001 edition, p. iv.
  10. ^ The rest of the story. Critical essays on Alice Munro. Edited by Robert Thacker, Toronto: ECW Press, 1999, ISBN 1-55022-392-5, p. 169.

Asking for comments on any advantages of table format (sortable) - Done

Teahouse readers have been invited to comment on my suggestion to reorganize the alphabetical list of short stories in table format. My invitation includes an invitation to compare any plans with those put to work for the following other short story writers: P. G. Wodehouse (simple list), Anton Chekhov, J. M. G. Le Clezio, Isaac Asimov, Harry Harrison, Robert Sheckley (simple list), Agatha Christie, and David R. Bunch. Thank you for any comments. --Jackentasche (talk) 10:41, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. --Jackentasche (talk) 08:26, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Alternate layout

Jackentasche: If you're willing to have some stories have multiple entries, I think you can simplify the table. Here's an example. The boldface indicates the first time a story was published. Someone interested in the publication history of a particular story can sort by title, someone wanting a chronological list can sort by year, and someone wanting see what's in a particular collection can sort by "published". The citations to the bibliographical apparatus can be added as usual with the <ref> tags and a {{reflist}}.

Let me know if that's not clear. This might not be what your looking for; in that case, no worries. You're the one putting in the hours assembling this page, so you're definitely the one who gets to decide what it looks like.

Best,

Lesser Cartographies (talk) 05:16, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, now I get it, this sounds like interesting thinking to me :-) and it looks great, let me think this over. Actually, I would love to be able to do a simple survey with the 100+ users who click on this page per day, their preferences, if they use the sorting option at all etc. Any ideas on how to do this, maybe? --Jackentasche (talk) 09:47, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
I think it's great, LC. Thanks very much Span (talk) 13:16, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Jackentasche, unfortunately, communicating with readers is, well, fraught. Use your best judgment, and if you're unsure post your question here and/or ask friends and family outside of wikipedia for an opinion. Feel free to ping me if you have additional questions. Good luck! Lesser Cartographies (talk) 13:50, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
I agree that the 'article feedback' function rarely comes up with anything useful. The peer review route is/was probably more profitable. I think that a table without the need for a key/legend (as is) would be great. Looking at the existing table, would you be able to transfer all the info without a key, except bold/non bold? Span (talk) 14:14, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


Title Year Published
Bardon Bus 1982 The Progress of Love
Bardon Bus 2003 No Love Lost
Before the Change 1998 The Love of a Good Woman
Boys and Girls 1968 Dance of the happy shades
Carried Away 1994 Runaway
Carried Away 1996 Selected Stories
Carried Away 2003 No Love Lost
Carried Away 2004 Vintage Munro
Carried Away 2006 Alice Munro's Best
Chaddeleys and Flemings I: The Connection 1982 The Moons of Jupiter
Chaddeleys and Flemings I: The Connection 1996 Selected Stories

I'm also wondering if drop down menus could work well. You could add back in 'short stories by story collections', as a drop down under each collection title. Also 'Short stories by short-story compilation' could use drop downs. I think it would make the list easier to navigate. The format might then be

  • Table
  • Plain story list
  • 'Short stories by story collections' (drop down)
  • 'Short stories by short-story compilation' (drop down)

Is it clear what I mean by that? Something like this (though the green is a bit lurid). Span (talk) 14:32, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

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