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David Brown ("White Hurricane") gives the location of the William Nottingham's grounding as the Apostle Islands. Almost every other author as well as contemporary articles in the Detroit Free Press and the Port Huron newspaper report it as Whitefish Bay, specifically, on a shoal between Sand Island and Isle Parisienne. RDavS 23:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch! Can you find these islands on an online map? — BRIAN0918 • 2007-08-27 18:44Z

All of the NOAA charts for the Great Lakes are viewable on line. The catalog address is http://www.charts.noaa.gov/Catalogs/greatlakes_chartside.htm The specific chart that shows the islands referenced is Chart No. 14962 viewable at http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/14962.htm Any of the charts may be selected from the list at http://ocsdata.ncd.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/GreatLakesViewerTable.htm RDavS 05:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Further discussion: The L.C. Waldo grounded on Gull Rock, not Gull Island. It seems a minor point, but Gull Island, Michigan is in Lake Michigan, the last place where the barge Plymouth was seen. Gull Rock might be considered a subset of Manitou Island in Lake Superior.

The Halsted (also spelled Halstead) was carrying lumber, according to my sources. The Louisiana was light, having delivered its coal at Milwaukee and was proceeding to Escanaba for ore. David Brown says the Louisiana grounded at Death's Door, but that is not correct. The Louisiana had come through Death's Door before the big winds struck and was NW of Washington Island when the trouble started. Death's Door is south of Washington Island. According to the Nov. 14, 1913 edition of the Door County Democrat, the Louisiana made Washington Harbor on the north side of Washington Island and anchored there Friday evening, but the increase in the storm put her ashore. According to the Door County Advocate (Nov. 13, 1913) the Halstead was beached also in Washington Harbor "at the head of the harbor". The Nov. 14, 1913 Door County Democrat says it was "at the foot of the harbor". The November 21, 1913 DC Democrat cited an interview with the crew of the Halstead in which they reported losing one anchor and dragging the other for 50 hours before they grounded and claimed that they feared multiple times that the Louisiana, which (being light) "was a toy in the wind", would collide with them. Some accounts say that the Halstead was thrown up on a rock, onto which the crew disembarked, but the reports of salvage say that she was in six feet of water at the stern and that there was less than ten feet of water to one side giving room to refloat her. RDavS 06:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent information! Can you please update the article to your satisfaction? If you need help citing sources, let me know. Thanks! And if you find anything wrong with the main article, Great Lakes Storm of 1913, please let me know. — BRIAN0918 • 2007-09-02 13:34Z

Lightship No. 61 "Corsica Shoals"

This lightship was destroyed on Lake Huron.^[1] It isn't listed, and it obviously should be. It's being offsite was a contributing factor in the loss of the Matthew Andrews.^[2] See also Huron Lightship. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 03:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC) Stan[reply]

LV 82 "Buffalo"

Refloated.^[3] I would add this, but I seem to be creating a problem with the columns, and don't want to mess this up. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC) Stan[reply]

==List of victims of the 1913 Great Lakes storm Note: That link was apparently deleted or renamed. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)Stan[reply]

John A. McGean discovery date and location

This wreck is listed as being proximate to Sturgeon Point Light. However, I found this on line, which indicates that it sank near Harbor Beach, Michigan.^[4] 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)Stan[reply]

I've personally concluded that the McGean went down just east of Harbor Beach, Michigan. See what I wrote at Sturgeon Point Light, which contains references. I respectfully suggest that this be cleaned up in this article.7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)Stan[reply]

Isaac M. Scottdiscovery date and location

Isaac M. Scott wreck is listed as being proximate to Sturgeon Point Light. However, the location of the wreck as described in the following article seems to contradict that.^[5] It states that mariners made certain assumptions about the likely direction of the vessel, and had wrongly guessed where it went down. It states: "In 1976, the wreck of the Scott was discovered at 175 feet about six to seven miles northeast of Thunder Bay Island. The vessel is upside down and half buried in the mud." 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)Stan[reply]

I've personally concluded that the Scott went down 7 miles northeast of Thunder Bay Island. See what I wrote at Sturgeon Point Light, which contains references. I respectfully suggest that this be cleaned up in this article.7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)Stan[reply]

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[1] U.S. Coast Guard on lighthouses and lightships.

[2] Barcus, Frank, Freshwater Fury: Yarns and Reminiscences of the Greatest Storm in Inland Navigation, (1986: Wayne State University Press) 166 pages. ISBN 0-8143-1828-2.

[3] Vogel, Michael N. and Paul F. Redding, Maritime Buffalo, Buffalo History, Lightship LV 82.

[4] Point aux Barques Lighthouse Society on John V. McGean.

[5] Northeast dive news, Isaac M. Scott.

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