Talk:List of shipwrecks in October 1828

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21 October

Does Lloyd's List actually say that Caldicot Castle sank in England? Because Laurenny Beach (Lawrenny) is about 5 miles inland from Milford Haven, in Wales. Narky Blert (talk) 16:00, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Narky Blert: That's a good spot. Acad Ronin wrote the article on the ship, so maybe he can double check and make any corrections necessary. Mjroots (talk) 19:18, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mjroots & Narky Blert: Unfortunately, all we have is a summary of the Lloyd's List item. The actual issue is not online. The summary gives the location as "Milford", no further specification, and states that Caldicot Castle had been raised and put on Laurenny Beach. Laurenny/Lawrenny is about 5-6 miles up the River Cleddau from Milford Haven, so the whole scenario makes sense. I don't know if there is a beach or sand flat at Lawrenny today, but there could well have been one 200 years ago. I have amended the shipwreck item to read "Milford Haven", Wales, and have linked Laurenny to Lawrenny. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 22:14, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mjroots and Acad Ronin - a WP:BOLD solution which I thoroughly approve, and which I was tempted to make myself. Google gave me a mention of 'Laurenny Quay'. I agree that the scenario makes nautical sense. "Get this worm-eaten hulk out of our channel to somewhere it isn't going to endanger shipping!"

I suspect that many of the old Lloyd's List entries were based on 2nd- or 3rd-hand oral reports, and that the ports of departure and destination were of very minor interest compared with the facts that the ship had been lost and of how much it and its cargo had been worth. Primary sources aren't always what they're cracked up to be.

I remember solving a similar case with an editorial footnote which said that there was no record of the port in the eastern Canadian province from which Lloyd's List reported it had sailed, but that there was a river of that name which had been an important trading post in another province, about 30-50 miles to the north. Narky Blert (talk) 04:57, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]