Talk:List of shipwrecks in April 1874

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Steam sealer Osprey

Ostensibly reliable sources are somewhat contradictory concerning the loss of Osprey in April 1874 - since editing I have found another source which gives credence to the loss being by ice, but it is all complicated by the likelihood that the ship was Ospray, built for Samuel Cunard in 1848. So I am enquiring of Canadian contacts for clarification and, hopefully, clearer sources. Davidships (talk) 22:34, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mjroots: The reference in your revert doesn't stand up. It merely records that a US-flag steamer Osprey existed about that time (and was listed intil 1877), but provides no evidence at all that it had anything to do with the loss off Newfoundland. It is not impossible, but there are several other realistic candidates, hence the search for sources already noted above. The nationality remains unknown, so please return it to that. Davidships (talk) 07:59, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Davidships: I've reverted per you post of yesterday. Are you sure she was a Cunard ship? They don't appear to have owned an Osprey. Mjroots (talk) 12:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mjroots: Thanks. "The Panther arrived here on Saturday bringing in the crew of the sealing steamer, Ospray abandoned water-logged in the ice, 10 miles from the Funks." Newfoundland Express, 15 April 1874 This has the Ospray spelling and led me to this, Hoping my transatlantic queries will produce something more solid. Davidships (talk) 16:27, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Davidships: So, it seems we have pinned her down then. Clydeships shows that she ~~wasn't~~ was built for Samuel Cunard. Mjroots (talk) 16:46, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mjroots: I was being cautious. The purpose was not to tempt the addition of another unlawful flag, though. I still do not understand why you insist on this with, as yet, no source for its legality. Davidships (talk) 19:36, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Davidships: In the discussion at WT:HV, you claim that "The fact remains that, as stated, for the Red Ensign, an Admiralty Warrant was required and none were issued until the 1890s". I'm not seeing where it says that in the source you provided. 05:03, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Start with para 1 - 1801 proclamation established undefaced RE for all British merchant ships, ie all ships owned by British subjects)

Then para 3 (Merchant Shipping Act 1854) and/or para 33 (Merchant Shipping (Colours) Act 1889) - only undefaced RE unless other national colours authorised by Royal or Admiralty Warrant - links to the legislation texts provided at WT:HV

Then para 28 - list of Admiralty Warrants issued, with dates. The first territorial warrant was 1892 (Canada). Davidships (talk) 22:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]