Talk:List of ships sunk by missiles

Moskva "ammunition fire"

Sank because of an ammunition fire after being hit by a missile = the victim was shot, but died due to a sudden bleeding of unknown origin. Although I understand the sentiment, seems a little bit overcautious to me. ——Morfal (sup) 22:35, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Only ships which have been verified to have been destroyed by a missile are to be included on this list. As it stands right now, with the Ukrainian government being the only party to confidently claim it was destroyed by a missile, the Moskva (and the Saratov in the same fashion) should be excluded from the list until some independent third party confirms either the Ukrainian missile claims or the Russian ammunition fire claims. Lucasalbl (talk) 08:47, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

U.S. defense sources have now agreed with the Ukrainian claim. [1]. Should we wait until Russia admits what happened to add it, an admission that may never come? Ultimograph5 (talk) 17:00, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

No we should not. The only parties with sensor coverage in the area are the US, Ukraine, and Russia. Two of the three confirmed a missile strike by Neptun missiles. Russia is likely never to confirm, else the Kremlin would have to pay the families of the sailors lost on the ship . Wikipedia should not be beholden to Russian war propaganda. Afterburned6387 (talk) 19:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, adding to the list seems the sensible choice now. Ultimograph5 (talk) 20:00, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Ships sunk as targets

The Imperial War Museum has records of [Devonshire] and [Hardy] being sunk as targets, but the data is sparse. Similarly, it seems that various of the Leander-class frigates may have also been sunk in missile tests, including the name ship in 1989. If you have reliable sources for these, please help add to the list. simongraham (talk) 12:02, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Inclusion of ships sunk by "Baka Bombs"

The Japanese Ohka suicide plane, in terms of mechanism of action and delivery systems is not dissimilar to a more conventional anti ship missile. A medium bomber deploys a self powered, self guided projectile from a standoff distance, which then hits and inflicts serious damage to the superstructure of a ship. The only difference is that the guidance mechanism is a human pilot. Enderminion1 (talk) 20:41, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi. The "Okha" bombs were actually unguided crewed rockets. Since the guide was a suicide pilot flying the rocket to the target, and not a remote operator, the best description of Okha (or as the American called it, "Baka") is that of an aircraft and not a missile.--Darius (talk) 00:44, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Ignoring the guidance section (or lack thereof) in all other respects an Ohka is essentially a more primitive version of various early Soviet air launched anti ship cruise missiles. Particularly in the aspects that contribute to ships being sunk such as warhead and impact speed. It is clearly more missile like than Interstate TDR assault drones or the various remotely operated Heavy Bombers employed by the US. Enderminion1 (talk) 02:10, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

One of the main features that distinguish a missile from a rocket is guidance (inertial, remote or fire-and-forget). I guess early Soviet cruise missiles were not suicidal weapons, so that example is immaterial. Feel free to include "Okha" in the lede if you find a reliable source describing it as a missile.--Darius (talk) 23:02, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Iran-Iraq War

List of ships sunk in this war. Most appear to be merchant ships. Several of these quite likely were NOT sunk- made it to port then were declared Total Constructive Loss- insurance/ repair estimates. Wfoj3 (talk) 00:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

The entries are taken from the sources referenced. If you have reliable sources that show otherwise, please add them. simongraham (talk) 12:32, 12 August 2023 (UTC)