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Incorrect note

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The article note does not match up with the external link provided -- saberwyn 01:52, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect count or doesn't reconcile?

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The article has 36 ships listed. However the Australian Official history states:

The note attached to this states:

The ships sunk on the Australia Station by submarine attack during the 1939-45 war were : in Eastern Australian coastal waters : Iron Chieftain, Iron Crown, Guatemala, George S . Livanos, Coast Farmer, William Dawes, Dureenbee, Kalingo, Iron Knight, Starr King, Recina, Kowarra , Lydia M. Childs, Limerick, Wollongbar, Fingal, Centaur, Portmar, Robert J. Walker. Elsewhere on the Australia Station : John Adams, Chloe, TJinegara, Samuel Gompers, Aludra, Deimos, Mamutu, Peter Sylvester, Stanvac Manila, Nam Yong, Siantar .

Gill, G Herman (1968). "19: Submarine's Swansong". Official Histories – Second World War: Volume II – Royal Australian Navy, 1942–1945 (pdf). Australian War Memorial. pp. page 557. Retrieved 2008-02-05. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); External link in |chapterurl= (help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl= ignored (|chapter-url= suggested) (help) Hence I am tagging this article for references for each ship not on this list. --Matilda talk 22:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Not quite sure what to do about the Kuttabul - doesn't rate in the Official History list - is it perhaps not a "ship"? --Matilda talk 23:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Those ships are all in the link provided in the introductory paragraph (very poor form I know - this was one of my earlier articles). I'll double check everything, but from memory when I spun this article off from Axis naval activity in Australian waters I was convinced that the listing David Stevens developed in 2005 was better than that used in the official history. David Stevens' occupies a senior position with the Navy's Seapower Centre and the author of several major works on Australian naval history, specialising in submarine warfare in Australian waters, so if I correctly understood his listing of the results of Japanese submarine cruises in Australian waters it should be considered a better source than the official history. I suspect that the problem is the definition of 'Australian waters' which has been used by the various authors - including myself (eg, whether Christmas and the Cocos Islands were within the Australia Station). I included HMAS Kuttabul as there didn't seem to be any reason for Gill to have excluded it and Stevens' included it in his list. --Nick Dowling (talk) 11:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
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The note attached to this states:

Gill, G Herman (1968). "19: Submarine's Swansong". Official Histories – Second World War: Volume II – Royal Australian Navy, 1942–1945 (pdf). Australian War Memorial. pp. page 557. Retrieved 2008-02-05. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); External link in |chapterurl= (help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl= ignored (|chapter-url= suggested) (help) Hence I am tagging this article for references for each ship not on this list. --Matilda talk 22:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Not quite sure what to do about the Kuttabul - doesn't rate in the Official History list - is it perhaps not a "ship"? --Matilda talk 23:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Those ships are all in the link provided in the introductory paragraph (very poor form I know - this was one of my earlier articles). I'll double check everything, but from memory when I spun this article off from Axis naval activity in Australian waters I was convinced that the listing David Stevens developed in 2005 was better than that used in the official history. David Stevens' occupies a senior position with the Navy's Seapower Centre and the author of several major works on Australian naval history, specialising in submarine warfare in Australian waters, so if I correctly understood his listing of the results of Japanese submarine cruises in Australian waters it should be considered a better source than the official history. I suspect that the problem is the definition of 'Australian waters' which has been used by the various authors - including myself (eg, whether Christmas and the Cocos Islands were within the Australia Station). I included HMAS Kuttabul as there didn't seem to be any reason for Gill to have excluded it and Stevens' included it in his list. --Nick Dowling (talk) 11:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
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Gill, G Herman (1968). "19: Submarine's Swansong". Official Histories – Second World War: Volume II – Royal Australian Navy, 1942–1945 (pdf). Australian War Memorial. pp. page 557. Retrieved 2008-02-05. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); External link in |chapterurl= (help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl= ignored (|chapter-url= suggested) (help) Hence I am tagging this article for references for each ship not on this list. --Matilda talk 22:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Those ships are all in the link provided in the introductory paragraph (very poor form I know - this was one of my earlier articles). I'll double check everything, but from memory when I spun this article off from Axis naval activity in Australian waters I was convinced that the listing David Stevens developed in 2005 was better than that used in the official history. David Stevens' occupies a senior position with the Navy's Seapower Centre and the author of several major works on Australian naval history, specialising in submarine warfare in Australian waters, so if I correctly understood his listing of the results of Japanese submarine cruises in Australian waters it should be considered a better source than the official history. I suspect that the problem is the definition of 'Australian waters' which has been used by the various authors - including myself (eg, whether Christmas and the Cocos Islands were within the Australia Station). I included HMAS Kuttabul as there didn't seem to be any reason for Gill to have excluded it and Stevens' included it in his list. --Nick Dowling (talk) 11:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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