Talk:List of ships named on the Tower Hill Memorial

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Additional names

Some additional names. Archie Jewell was lost on SS Donegal and is named on the memorial. Had served on the Titanic, as described in the SS Donegal article. Carcharoth (talk) 17:18, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Article on SS Fiscus states that the "fatalities included two of the youngest killed in UK Merchant Navy service in the Second World War. Brothers Kenneth and Raymond Lewis from Wales were 14 and 15 years old respectively". Carcharoth (talk) 18:22, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation

Care is needed to disambiguate correctly. The SS Don (1892) is not the SS Don listed on this memorial (which was built in 1893 and sunk after striking a mine on 6 May 1915). Sometimes the differences are obvious, other times less so. Many of the ships listed on this memorial are listed as red-links on disambiguation pages, or as redirects to an entry in the 'list of shipwrecks' pages. It would be better to distinguish between those that have articles and those that are an entry on a disambiguation page or an entry on a shipwreck list. Carcharoth (talk) 17:35, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HMT Dunera appears not to be the Dunera listed on this memorial. Carcharoth (talk) 15:49, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Women listed on the memorial

There are a number of women listed on the memorial, so at some point the gender-related language needs to be tweaked. Carcharoth (talk) 18:25, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed two instances of "seamen" to "seafarers" as google suggests this is the currently preferred gender-neutral term, although it is possibly anachronistic. Thryduulf (talk) 12:39, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. That should do for now, though I'll see if the sources tend to use seamen and think about what to do there. Carcharoth (talk) 12:49, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Other memorials

An example of merchant seamen being commemorated on the memorials for specific shipwrecks includes those lost on HMHS Salta. Carcharoth (talk) 15:14, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Bombay 1914-1918 Memorial and the Bombay/Chittagong 1939-1945 War Memorial should have articles, as should the Halifax Memorial (see for example the SS Point Pleasant Park). Carcharoth (talk) 13:04, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Major sinkings

Other sinkings with large overall loss of life include RMS Lancastria, RMS Laconia and SS Khedive Ismail. Carcharoth (talk) 11:33, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Awards

Other awards to some of those named on the memorial may include Lloyd's War Medal for Bravery at Sea. One recipient is definitely named on the memorial: Donald Owen Clarke, Donald Clarke (GC) (though the ship, the SS San Emiliano does not have an article). Carcharoth (talk) 12:29, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Finished looking up ships with articles

Have now finished looking up the ships with articles. about 57 (WWI) and 186 (WWII) of the ships appear to have articles and are now listed. Maybe a couple of further additions of any missed (need to check for initials other than SS at some point), or new articles get written, but the listing is fairly complete now (though limited to ships with articles). The listing will never be all the thousands of ships named, but will hopefully be of use. Could be made into a table with some more information at some point, but that maybe is really only useful if the whole listing is provided. Carcharoth (talk) 07:17, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have checked the other common ship prefixes. That should be all of them now, though some may have been missed. Carcharoth (talk) 16:47, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Female casualties

Claim here that "J. Carr" is Josephine Carr and the only female on the WWI memorial. It seems that Carr is on the Plymouth Naval Memorial (as she was a Royal Navy clerk) and that the name on this memorial has been 'removed' (but in practice actually left in place). There are at least 10 women listed under the casualties of the sinking of the Lusitania: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. Carcharoth (talk) 11:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]