Talk:List of rulers of the Gibe state of Limu-'Enarya

I wanted to update this against the material in C.F. Beckingham and G.W.B. Huntingford, Some Records of Ethiopia, 1593-1646 (London: Hakluyt Society, 1954), pp. lxxx - lxxxiv, but I can't figure out how make the two agree in a satisfactory manner: the current version of this article disagrees in too many places in too much detail for me to just delete what's here. However, although I do not have any solid proof, I have serious suspicions about the quality of the information here. Caveat emperor! -- llywrch 23:05, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't Ennarya a province/tributary state of Ethiopia after Amda Seyon I's time? If so, I think this list should specify that. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 08:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since I wrote the above paragraph, I've learned that Ennarya refers to a region of Ethiopia that is vaguely defined as lying south of the Abbay River, west of Addis Ababa & east of the Dinder River. Originally it was a province of the kingdom of Damot, but then became an independant Sidamo kingdom by the 15th century, & was overrun by the Oromo several generations later, who founded their Limmu kingdom in roughly the same location (which is why it is referred to as "Limmu-Ennarya"). My chief difficulty until now has been to find an authority who will clearly state the facts, rather than vaguely allude to them -- or attempt to hide their ignorance with lots of hand-waving. You'll note that I've replaced the lists from Beckingham/Huntingford with material from Werner J. Lange, who meets that requirement. (Now to properly convert my research into material with verifiable sources -- & make the names consistent.) -- llywrch 18:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm...Encyclopaedia Aethiopica recognizes it as a Gibe state, but it also states a couple things that are probably where I got the idea that it was a province (either way, you'd have to define what is required to be a province vs. a vassal vs. independent). It's elite was Christianized by Tekle Haymanot in the early 14th c. & converted again under Serse Dengel, but it also appeared as one of the provinces paying tribute in gold & slaves under Emperor Yeshaq in the soldier's songs and sent soldiers to fight with Wasan Sagad against Ahmad Gragn. It says that some claim it was part ( I guess they mean directly, here) of the state, but it doesn't go on to dismiss or support the claim.

ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 19:57, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]