Talk:List of rulers of Mutapa

This list is wrong, several kings are missing. At less one name (Changamire) is doubfoul because is a title of the kings of Butua or Butwa. More complet list:

1430 - 1450 aproximadament Nyatsimba Mututa o Mutota
1450 1480 aproximadament Matope Nyanhehwe Nebedza
vers 1480 Mavura Maobwe
1480 - 1490 aproximadament Mukombero Nyahuma
1490 - 1494 Changamire ??
1494 - vers 1530 Kakuyo Komunyaka (Chikuyo)
1530 - 1550 aproximadament Neshangwe Munembire
1550 - 1560 aproximadament Chivere Nyasoro
1560 - 1589 Chisamharu Negomo Mupuzangutu
1589 - 1623 Gatsi Rusere
1623 - 1629 Nyambo Kapararidze
1629 - 1634 Mavura
1634 - 1673 Nhacunimbiri
1673 - 1693 Mukombe
1693 - 1698 Chimbganda Matombo

--83.56.236.10 (talk) 21:11, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for catching this mistake. Please feel free to make changes where applicable. I just copied over the list from the Mutapa Kingdom page. I know virtually nothing about its authenticity. Just please make sure to add some refs. Thnx in advance :) Scott Free (talk) 21:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All kings after Mutota

All kings after Mutota 41.79.58.1 (talk) 18:07, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sources?

Where are the RS? Thus article is made from whole cloth. It has nothing to support it. It is entirely revisionist nonsense. The real Monomotapa was of course centred exactly in what is today Pretoria. The northern border of Monomotapa is the same as the border between South Africa and Zimbabwe today. Monomotapa still existed as a civilisation into the 19th century. And it had nothing to do with the Shona people. "Great Zimbabwe" was a trading post on neutral, uninhabited land where the REAL people of Monomotapa would trade with Portuguese, Somali, and Malay traders. It was abandoned in the 18th century. Starting in the 17th century, the Dutch colonised Malaysia, followed by the British. Then, there were successive earthquakes in the 18th century that rocked Lisbon, and weakened Portugal's international standing. As such, the trading post was abandoned. When the Shona arrived in the area over 100 years later, they made no claim to the building of the post. In fact, "Zimbabwe" means "buildings (made) of stone", a strange sight and concept for them, as they had never built buildings out of stone. They knew that the buildings had been made by "people who were there before [them]".

These "rulers" are pure fiction.

An actual ruler from a 1522 book... [1]

And here's a closer look.. [2]

Where is Hengi Zedaici in 1522 on this list? Right, he's not there, as he doesn't fit into Zanu-PF/ANC/FF revisionist "history".

Where are the photos of the "Afrikaners" building key buildings in "Gauteng" like courthouses, libraries? They don't exist. They were there before the Afrikaners, the British, the Sotho, Tswana, Zulu, Pedi, Venda, Xhosa etc. ever set foot in "South Africa". Why would Afrikaners name towns "Pretoria" or "Centurion"? "Andries Pretorius" was really Andries Schulte. He took the surname "Pretorius" after conquering Monomotapa in the 19th century.

Then Monomotapa was erased from history. Today, people associate it with "Shona".

Even the "racist" term in South Africa betrays reality. "Kafirs" or "Kaffirs" were non-Muslim people in a region running from Syria to Afghanistan. Many still retained the Graeco-Roman culture, and a form of Catholicism, after Islamic Conquest. And many left the Middle East, to escape Islamic persecution. Guess where some fled to?

Aftikaner accounts from the 19th century, speaking of conflicts with "native Kafirs" means Middle Eastern Monomotapans, not Bantu people.

Then, in the 20th century, "the k word" was applied to central African immigrants, became pejorative, and was finally banned. So, today, any references in 19th century texts to "kaf(f)irs" is taken to be racist insults towards "native Blacks"...