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Problem with Colossos

Went over to RCDB and they're not even listing Colossos on their tallest list anymore. Duane gives his reasoning saying that the ride's height, when combined with its top speed, isn't adding up. With a lack of reliable sourcing for its height and a recognized reliable source having doubts, should this even be here anymore? --McDoobAU93 19:37, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

@McDoobAU93: Just noticed this. Yeah, it can be an issue when RCDB questions the validity of something. However, I've never liked the "I have this hunch" approach, even if the math doesn't add up. We really need verification that the claim is untrue, since many reliable sources have reiterated the 60 m height claim as fact (LA Times, Coaster Wars, etc.). I tried my best to locate the controversy of the claim on the internet, but wasn't able to find anything that lists it as controversial with the exception of RCDB. In fact, Guinness World Records published this in 2014, which seems to verify the claim. You would think they would have vetted the claim thoroughly. Does anyone have a recent copy of their records publishing? If it's listed in there, I would say keep for now until more information surfaces. --GoneIn60 (talk) 23:44, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

New World Record for Wooden Coaster

Just found this article and thought someone with better skill than me could update the rankings. http://online.thatsmags.com/post/record-breaking-wooden-roller-coaster-opens-in-eastern-china Springfinger (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:40, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Unsourced rankings

The article has four lists that aren't backed by a reliable source:

  • Steepest steel roller coasters
  • Steepest wooden roller coasters
  • Tallest roller coaster inversions
  • Tallest vertical loops

I propose we remove these lists, since the rankings haven't been confirmed. Thoughts? --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:41, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Update

Apparently this was never addressed. If there isn't a response in the near future, I plan to remove these rankings from the list. Thank you. --GoneIn60 (talk) 16:32, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Astros4477, since you were a main contributor to this article, I figured I'd ping you on this before I remove anything. Also looping in McDoobAU93 and Dom497.
I could go both ways on this subject. I understand that there is no source that actually lists the rankings but these lists also survived two Featured Article Nominations and a peer review.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 22:03, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
@Astros4477: Very true. But I think since a majority of the lists are backed by RCDB.com, it might have been an oversight and just missed. Was it ever specifically addressed in those reviews, do you know? --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:25, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
I just looked over those reviews and it was never brought up.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 03:28, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
OK, the way I'm leaning is to remove them for now. Then, if a source emerges later, we have the lists in the page history and can easily restore them. Without a source that ranks them, it could be considered original research to rank them ourselves. --GoneIn60 (talk) 22:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
I completely understand.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 20:21, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

 Done. Since there were no objections, I've removed the questionable categories listed above. If new evidence or details come to light, we can always restore them. --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:59, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Why is Lightning Rod Closed all of the time.

I can't find anything about why it is always closed. Tyler Shasteen (talk) 01:19, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Lightning Rod

Someone added Lightning Rod to the tallest wooden coaster stats, but so far I've not seen anything confirming its height. The press release and the newspaper article say "20 stories", but that's such a vague term that it could well be less than Colossos in height yet still be 20 stories. Can someone post a link here or add it to the article for Lightning Rod so we can have it for the encyclopedia? --McDoobAU93 19:19, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

McDoobAU93, the park's website claims 206 feet, as do a few other sources, however more reputable ones (such as RCDB) do not list it. Technically, the lift hill is 80 feet off the ground, so this would put it in the same situation as The Beast at Kings Island, whose lift hill is only 110 feet despite having a 141-foot drop. The park is clearly defining this in their own way, so I've removed it from the list barring confirmation from an unbiased secondary source. --GoneIn60 (talk) 23:45, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Dollywood did the same thing with Wild Eagle back in 2012, claiming a 200-foot-plus lift hill when its first drop is actually about 130 feet. Much like Wild Eagle, Lightning Rod will climb a hill to get to the main layout, so they're using the height differential from the station to the top of the lift. I'd wait until a non-PRIMARY source appears. --McDoobAU93 16:58, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

It is not the tallest 

Tyler Shasteen (talk) 01:20, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

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Editing the list

Hey! It says on the list under most inversions for a wooden rollercoaster that it is outlaw run and wildfire(3). However, Steel vengeance has broken this record with four (4) inversions. https://www.cedarpoint.com/explore/steel-vengeance Could someone edit this?

Thanks!

Steel Vengeance is a steel roller coaster using wooden supports, not a wooden-track coaster like Outlaw Run and Wildfire. That is why it's not included in that particular listing. --McDoobAU93 19:35, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Red Force drop length

An editor keeps adding this coaster to the drop length rankings list despite not having a source (diff1, diff 2). While we can reasonably assume its drop is over 300 ft, we shouldn't be adding it to the list until the drop length is verified. Unfortunately, RCDB.com doesn't list it, so another source is needed for this. I attempted to remove it for now, but Fenyard insists on leaving it in. --GoneIn60 (talk) 22:29, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Continuous Circuit VS Shuttle coasters

Superman: Escape From Krypton should have a footnote saying that it does not complete a full circuit, only launching up the spike, then falling back to the station. Roketman18 (talk) 19:24, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Roketman18, it already does have a footnote. You should see the superscript [note 1] next to each entry in the lists. You can hover and/or click it. --GoneIn60 (talk) 21:09, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

July 2020

Millenium Force and Steel Dragon should have notes next to them, as the Guinness Book of World Records claims Millenium Force as having the complete circuit record in 2000.

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/438138-first-giga-rollercoaster — Preceding unsigned comment added by DisneyAviationRollerCoasterEnthusiast (talk • contribs) 03:09, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

DisneyAviationRollerCoasterEnthusiast: First and foremost, this is a list of the tallest roller coasters, period. The list title doesn't make a distinction between full-circuit and non-full-circuit coasters. We can put notes next to the name of the roller coaster (as we've done for Escape From Krypton), but we shouldn't be adding a date range in the "Record held" column, because this would be misleading even with a note. That's the main reason I reverted your edit.
For Millennium Force's note, you could add something like "Held record from May 2000 – May 2003 among full-circuit coasters" and include the Guinness source inside the note. I would support that. I would NOT support adding the date range outside of the note, however. --GoneIn60 (talk) 06:16, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Updating

Someone needs to update this, RCDB and this doesn’t look the same, like they combine same stats as tied and they have more in there Also red Force is not in the longest steal Coaster drop section KIfanboy (talk) 19:43, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

This Wikipedia article does not need to be the same as RCDB. We simply draw information from it and may display information somewhat differently. When coasters are tied at 4th in length for example, then obviously the next one down is not 5th, since there are 5 roller coasters above it that are longer. RCDB doesn't list it that way, but that's OK. We are using simple math in our calculations.
As for Red Force, it's been removed and readded over the years. No secondary source that I'm aware of has verified it's drop height, but we can safely assume it's somewhere between Top Thrill and Superman. We can discuss options for that, as I'm open to suggestions. Perhaps we can move it into a footnote or sub-chart of some kind if enough editors think that's necessary. --GoneIn60 (talk) 21:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
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