Talk:List of rivers of Serbia/Archive 1

Archive 1

Cyrillic

I removed the Cyrillic from the table, not because I wage a crusade against it, but because it just expands the list without adding any real information; whoever needs it can find it in the individual articles or transliterate himself with minimal effort. Duja^► 15:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I completely disagree, original form of a toponym is a real information and people are generally lazy so what seems like a minimal effort is usually too much for many. Actually, if there would be enough place, more info should be added to the table (source location, mouth location, important settlements). As for the Cyrillic, we should teach others that Serbian language has its own alphabet. It should be put back in the article . PajaBG 19:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

"Original form" of a toponym is given in the left column, in Latin alphabet. Transliteration to Cyrillic is trivial. We shouldn't "teach others that Serbian language has its own alphabet" in every single place on Wikipedia; instead, we should provide useful information to English-speaking readers. I simply disagree that the information is useful in the list like this one. I don't see any other Cyrillic-based language so anal about the issue:

• List of rivers of Russia
• List of rivers of Ukraine
• List of rivers of Bulgaria
• List of mountains of Bulgaria
• List of cities in Republic of Macedonia

In my opinion, the insistence on Cyrillic forms everywhere, demonstrates more our own frustrations about the issue of national identity than a noble intention to provide real information to the reader. Duja^► 09:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

So much about the national identity frustration...OK, you obviously have an issue with Cyrillic (are you ashamed of it?) and I don't see why are you so much annoyed by it, especially since it's not in collision with the providing information (actually, quite the opposite). Personally, I think that such academic and elitistic aproach (whoever needs it, noble providing intentions, etc) sucks. I remember my professors from high school which (with one or two exceptions) just waited to tell us: high school is not obligatory, if you don't like it, leave...what kind of attitute toward the knowledge is that? That's why smart countries made elementary, and those smarter also the secondary education obligatory. Yes, you should teach others that Serbian language has its own alphabet in every single place on Wikipedia, yes, you should teach that Mount Everest is the highest peak on the planet in every single place on Wikipedia, yes, you should teach that Earth is round in every single place on Wikipedia...repetitio est mater studiorum.

As for the other lists, they are just what they say, pure and simple lists. And quite in line with already mentioned academic view, because a person who doesn't know much about the geography, can't find easily what he's searching for. Concepts of these lists assume the reader already knows which river flows into which other river, into which sea, to which drainage bassin it belongs, etc. This article had a textual section (short for now, but made for future expansion) and it has a table with all the important data about the rivers on the very first glance. It was not a list, but you, in another erroneous action, moved it from "Rivers of Serbia" to the "List of rivers in Serbia" which this article isn't. PajaBG 18:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Tamish River

The Tamish River is not listed, it runs not far from Belgrade through the settlement of Little London, Serbia. Not sure on its length or any other info on it though. Grunners 13:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

You mean, Tamiš/Timiş ? It's right there on 6th place. But, judging on the pictures from BBC article, I'm not so sure you got it right; its mouth is some 10 km downstream the Danube from Belgrade, in an area which is AFAIK a swamp, but the BBC pictures display high buildings in the vicinity. Duja► 13:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, the river is right, but it turns out that the Little London is much closer to Pančevo than to Belgrade. [1] Duja► 13:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorting

In Table 1, sorting by the length of the river and by the size of a drainage basin is not functioning well.

Krivaja in Syrmia is not the same Krivaja in Bačka, which has its own page, so I removed the link. PajaBG 18:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Kosovo

As in the page List of mountains in Serbia, the territory of Kosovo should not be displayed on the map because Kosovo is independent from Serbia. Please, modify the map accordingly and remove all the references to the rivers that belong to Kosovo.--_Arbër ^{Let's talk} 21:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Ha, ha, ha! --Tadija (talk) 20:42, 16 February 2010 (UTC)