Talk:List of rail accidents (2020–present)

Vila-seca train crash was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 14 August 2022 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into List of rail accidents (2020–present). The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Missing accidents

There occured accident on May 19th in Germany. Two freight trains collided on the railway line Darmstadt - Aschaffenburg near station Dieburg. Driver of one freight train died in the crash. ^[1] Unable to find ref in english which isn't on blacklist.90.182.210.240 (talk) 08:36, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.ffh.de/nachrichten/hessen/suedhessen/311511-gueterzug-bei-dieburg-entgleist-strecke-momentan-gesperrt.html

Die Sprache der Quelle ist gar nicht wichtig. Das kann auf Deutsch sein. Ich habe den Unfall in den Artikel eingefügt (schau mal an!). Hoffentlich steht OP nicht auf der schwarzen Liste. Kelisi (talk) 19:20, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please indicate which year you are referring to. This is a multi-year page. By the date of your post, I presume that you mean May 19, 2022.Dogru144 (talk) 20:23, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have already taken care of it, Dogru. The date was perfectly clear to me. The entry for the 2022-05-19 accident is now there in the article. Kelisi (talk) 22:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good, then.Dogru144 (talk) 00:07, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

April 2023 Montana derailment

I see that the April 2, 2023 Montana Rail Link derailment, mentioned in the article on the company, is not in this article. " . . . MRL freight train derailed at Quinn’s Hot Springs Resort in Paradise, Montana. About 25 cars derailed . . . ."Dogru144 (talk) 23:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2024

Why isn’t 2024 appearing in the Table of Contents??? Borgenland (talk) 16:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Borgenland: This is why. --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 17:59, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Level crossing incidents

I can understand that this suggestion may not get too far, but I was thinking that perhaps not every level crossing accident should be removed from the list. Of course, incidents that are limited to casualties on the ground only are generally removed because documenting all (or even a fraction of them) would make the page practically unreadable. But I propose a set of guidelines for significant level crossing accidents, including but not limited to:

Accidents with a road vehicle resulting in the death of train occupants.
Accidents with a road vehicle that caused a significant derailment/damage to the train (usually not just the front end).
Accidents directly caused by faulty safety equipment, or case studies involving poorly designed crossings.

or

An alternate page depicting these accidents, since there is also an alternate page for acts of terrorism.

I understand the issues with WP:NOTEVERYTHING and such, but would like to see a possible solution for the incidents that have a larger impact than the "one smashed-up car, two injured" entries that are frequently deleted and admittedly have little purpose on this page.

For your consideration, @Redrose64: and any others that are interested in adding their opinions. Thank you. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 03:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m open to retaining level crossing with more than 1 dead. Borgenland (talk) 05:09, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that level crossing entries should only be allowed if we have a stand-alone article dedicated to the accident, for instance Hixon rail crash and Ufton Nervet rail crash. In this way, the normal notability guidelines will apply. Otherwise, it's just another silly car driver who didn't read the warning signs. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:51, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've found List of level crossing crashes, which has too many flags. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:10, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Redrose64 and Borgenland: I will be sure to take a look at the level crossing list. My goal is to extract a full article about this incident which was just removed, in hopes of getting it restored to the list fairly (due to unusual circumstances and a passenger aboard the train being ejected and killed.) There should be sufficient information to make an article that is larger than a stub, but I will work on that later. Thank you both for your feedback! Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 01:19, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since this was aboard the train, then I do support its restoration. Borgenland (talk) 03:25, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will do, pending Redrose64's approval. Regardless of that decision, I will extract the section from the station article and expand it into its own draft. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 03:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the pages at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 01:21, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

– etc. I think its more natural, removing the need for disambiguation in brackets. Note that every article in lists of rail accidents by year will be renamed to that format, not just those listed above, hence why I put etc. JuniperChill (talk) 10:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Waqar💬 15:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The new titles offer no benefit over the long-term stable titles that match standard titling practices on Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 12:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Thryduulf I was thinking is this any different from the RM at List of Coronation Street characters? JuniperChill (talk) 17:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Very different - in the Coronation Street characters RM the current title is misleading and thus the change offers clear benefits. In this case we're choosing between two equally good options so the principle behind MOS:RETAIN applies - an article should not be edited or renamed simply to switch from one variety of disambiguation to another. Thryduulf (talk) 18:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:BROKE. 162 etc. (talk) 19:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, the proposed titles offer no benefit. In my opinion, the proposed title for List of rail accidents (2020–present) is far more confusing than the current title. Esolo5002 (talk) 20:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe a list of rail accidents that happened from 2020 maybe appropriate? but then that violates WP:BROKEN and WP:CONCISE JuniperChill (talk) 20:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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