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This article needs complete cleanup rewrite. This page has been a playground for idiots that make jokes and other idiots that use the former idiots to accuse entire croatian nation for megalomania.
So this way you demostrate your knowledge about this topic and supreme mind telling us who is idiot and what the accusation is?--Factanista08:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Also, there is a lot of spam here. Some 3rd class artists or scientist propably see this page as a chance to put their names on the internet.
I second the request for an article cleanup/rewrite. It's a mess. The article should start by defining a strict criteria for who can be on the list. Every addition should provide a reference. In my opinion, only those born in Croatia or who have at some point in their lives declared themselves Croatian, either by ethnicity or citizenship, should be listed here. There should be a separate article listing notable people of Croatian descent (e.g. John Malkovich, Krist Novoselich), as it doesn't make sense to list them here. Also, it should be acceptable to list the same people in multiple articles. There's no reason why Nikola Tesla couldn't be listed as Croatian, Serbian and American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.73 (talk) 00:34, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Clean up
I'm willing to clean up this article as long as somebody agrees to do translations for me from the Croatian wikipedia whenever I need them. The translations don't have to be perfect, I'll fix them grammar and spelling-wise, just enough to work with. I'll place whatever translations I need here under:
I found very little information on this architect but the information I did find suggests he was notable. Why isn't there any information on him? Does he perhaps have an article on another wikipedia? Antidote13:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Removal of actors
Why have the likes of Eric Bana, John Malkovich, Tom Hanks, Denise Richards etc...been removed from from the list here.
If someone has one parent or has some link to Croatia by blood why not mention it...and that inludes Marco Polo, Haydn and Maradona.
All famous people on Wiki who have a mixture of orign even a 1/4 tend to outline it in the first paragraph.
As per The Serbian Americans by Jerome Kisslinger, Chelsea House Publishers New York 1990 pages 99-101 John Malkovich is a Serb. The consulting editors for this book were:
Ann Orlov, Managing editor, Harvard Encyclopedia of American Ethnic Groups, Harvad MA
M.Mark Stolarik - President, The Balch Institute for Ethnic Studies, Philadelphia
David M. Reimers, Professor of History, New York University
James F Watts, Chairman, History Department, City College of New York
About Malković I know, he even has living relatives in Croatia, Marco Polo is questionable though he was born on Hvar. Ivo Andrić and Ruđer Bošković were Croats. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.172.14.249 (talk • contribs) 12:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Ivo Andric was a Serb, he wrote mostly about serbs and people in bosnia, he lived in serbia, was serbian ambasador, and both of his parents were Serbs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.185.100.111 (talk) 12:21, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I have found some intersting theories and propaganda on the net.Above statement is one such peice of rubbish. Just because soemthing is in print doesn't make it truth .
JOHN MALKOVICH IS AMERICAN HIS FATHER WAS A CROAT, END OF STORY.
John Malkovich's father never declared himself as a Croat. The people who worked on the book above are supreme authorities as to the ethnic groups in the USA--Mario.radin12:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Asim Kurjak has been accused for several infamous things, such as abusing harvested egg cells to achieve exceptional results in treating fertility problems and recently of pretty huge plagiarism of his science works (basically, copying parts of other scientists work). If that is proven true, he should be moved to "Infamous" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.152.209.139 (talk • contribs) 08:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone counted how many times he's been added and removed? Just curious. I understand he was an ethnic Serb born and raised in Croatia. As someone with no involvement in the issue, may I point something out? The title of the article says "Croatians". Many people would interpret that to mean "People from the country of Croatia". The article is not titled "List of Ethnic Croats". How about drafting an introductory paragraph to set the rules? Maybe if you define the rules, it would be easier to decide who belongs and who doesn't. Just a suggestion. Fan-196700:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
If by "Croatians" it is the citizenship in question, then consider that Croatia did not exist in his time. He was born in a place called Austria-Ungarn, later moving to America. His parents were both Serbia. Technically Tesla was a Serbian-American who was born in Austria-Ungarn. I don't know what he would be doing in a "List of Croats" as he has no relation to them ethnically, birthplace-wise or by way of citizenship. No definition of "Croatian" applies to him. Zalgo 21:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
No dilemma about Tesla. Born in the Military Frontiers which was (taht time) under direct rule of the Viennese Court, moved out the Austro-Hungarian Empire before 1881 when the Military Frontiers was integrated into the Croatia and Slavonia Kingdom. Claiming such a nonsense is the same as to claim that Archimedes is an Italian due to the fact that his birthplace Siracuse is in today's Italy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.75.5.121 (talk • contribs) 00:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
And I'll repeat, nothing in the article defines what is meant by "Croatian".
Tesla was proud of his Croatian motherland and Serbian descent. When his mother died in 1892, he paid a visit to Croatian capital Zagreb, and gave a lecture about alternating current. On that occasion Tesla said: "As a son of my homeland, I feel it is my duty to help the city of Zagreb in every respect with my advice and work" - ("Smatram svojom duznoscu da kao rodeni sin svoje zemlje pomognem gradu Zagrebu u svakom pogledu savjetom i cinom"). Mianmar (talk) 00:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
What makes you think he was talking about Croatia when he said "homeland"? Zalgo 05:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
How come Krist Novoselic who was born in California and never lived in Croatia meets the requirements to be listed, but Tesla doesn't? That doesn't make sense. How about just listing Tesla in both "List of Croats" and "List of Serbs" articles and settling the matter once and for all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.73 (talk) 00:05, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
I get the impression that he is highly talented, and I strongly suspect he will become well-known worldwide. (OK, that's just my opinion, but I give some reasons if required).83.71.5.3219:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Giovanni Biagio Luppis von Rammer is not your Ivan Lupis Vukić
Please, stop changing original Itailan names!!!
Giovanni Biagio Luppis von Rammer is not your Ivan Lupis-Vukić!!!
Giorgio Orsini is not your Juraj Dalmatinac!!!
Andrea Meldola is not your Andrija Medulić!!!
Benedetto Cotrugli is not your Benedikt Kotruljević!!!
Mario Andretti??? A Croat??? Maybe - Marin Andretic?
Giovanni Lupis is the same Ivan Lupis-Vukic as he is known as such in Croatia. He has every right to be on this list as he was born in Rijeka and originating from Pelješac. Juraj Dalmatinac or as you in Italy call him Giorgo Orsini was a man born in Zadar and worked all over Dalmatia and is one of the most important and prominent figures of medieval Dalmatian(and thus Croatian as well) architecture. He himself signed himself in Latin "Georgius Mathaei Dalmaticus" (George Mathew the Dalmatian) which is in Croatian Juraj Matej(ev) Dalmatinac. Andrea Meldolla or Andrija Medulic was also called "Schiavone" which means "the Slav", so the man was born in Zadar and was referred as Slav...think about it. As for Andretti he is not on the list. And finally this article is the list of Croatians and this doesn't necessary means they have to be ethnic Croats to be on the list. --Factanista02:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Giovanni Biagio Luppis von Rammer never called himself Ivan Lupis-Vukic!!!
Giorgio Orsini never called himself Juraj Dalmatinac!!!
Juraj Dalmatinac is the Croatian translation of his own signature in Latin (Georgius Dalmaticus), he certainly never called himself "Giorgo Orsini". --Factanista08:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Andrea Meldola never called himself Andrija Medulic!!!
Again you may be right, in fact by historical research of documents in Zadar it has been established that he indeed was Meldola or Meldolla and never Medulić. The first who used Medulić was was Ivan Kukuljević Sakcinski during the Illyrian movement and although incorrect this version has established itself in Croatian historiography. Nevertheless we known two very important facts: 1. He was born in Zadar and 2. He preferred to be called "Schiavone" meaning "the Slav". So he was a Slav born in Zadar, think about it. --Factanista08:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
These Italian men never ever regarded themselves as Croatians!!!
Could you, please, comprehend that Michelangello cannot be 'croatized' by 'translating' his name into Mihovil Angjelic?
First of all they were not "italian men" as Italy didn't even exist at that time and second the fact someone had or has Romance/Italic name doesn't necessarily makes him an Italian. Many Croats even today carry German, Italian/(Romance)Dalmatian, Hungarian and other surnames and who can deny them the fact they are Croats? You? This is especially ridiculous when we talk about these people who lived in middle ages and who certainly had no sense of ethnic belonging since at that time ethnicity meant something totally different from todays comprehension of the same term. You could argue that Meldola and Dalmaticus were Venetian though but this still doesn't mean it is equal to the modern term Italian as Venetian Republic held large areas of Slavic, Greek and Albanian populated territory and many of these people "latinized" their names and served in Venice becoming full fledged members of society. I mean the whole elite guard of the Doge was made of these people...first explicitly from Slavic men of Dalmatia(Croats) and then later by others (Albanians, Greeks, etc) --Factanista08:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Be more specific - what is the 'plain removal'? I've removed only Italians whose names were meaninglessly 'translated' as Croatian names. We do not need here a policeman - rather somebody who is able to understand the core of the problem called credibility and integrity of the editorial work.--GiorgioOrsini23:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Name spamming
This page needs thorough cleaning/filtering. Too many unimportant or not-so-important names. We don't have to list here every Croat on this world that exists or existed. Kubura08:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Only Nazis used to 'nazionalize' people's names
It is well known that German Nazis used to change personal names in the occupied parts of Europe. I have a friend whose father was born in Slovenia (that time Yugoslavia) whose surname was Križnar and he was born in the town called Kranj - but in his birth certificate it reads: 'Krischner' born in 'Krainburg'. The same way are:
Giovanni Biagio Luppis von Rammer - Ivan Lupis-Vukić
Actually that was quite common practice of Italian Fascist in occupied Croatian and Slovenian lands. Furthermore these people didn't had their names changed, they are simply known under these names in Croatia, if it bothers you close your eyes. --Factanista18:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Cool. Put them on the List of Italians (if there is any reason), but do not remove them from here (just like Ivo Andric is both here and in the list of Serbs). Besides - this list includes all Croatians (not necessary of Croat ethnicity). --PaxEquilibrium11:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
1.During the www2 many Italian troops were situaed in Croatia. At the beginning of italian occupation, in the night 3rd/4th July 1941 Blackshirt troops from Split , assisted with armored escort of carabinieri destroyed almost all stores in Split . Reason: the owners rejected to change the store names from croatian into italian. Similar things that were happenning ex. in Germany [6]Kristallnacht
2. Italian occupation of Istra has lasted unfortunately much longer. For the Slavic population it can be compared with Apartheid or Jewish destiny during Nazi regime. During the occupation of Istra all Slavophones had to italianize their names. Even the names on the graves were italianized. That was for more than 20 years of one of the worst fascist terror in the 20th century.
3. You forget that Nazis were your companions for 12 years. In fact Italians/Germans were inventors of fascism/nazism. So , do not give us a lectures about our history.
Even still today are being legally sold all the souvenirs of Duce and Fuhrer in Italy. Not in Croatia
Religion - Bishop Joseph James Potocnak - NOT A CROATIAN
I am the niece of Bishop Potocnak. My father is his brother. Both are alive; therefore, I know my heritage. Bishop Potocnak is 1/2 Ukrainian (Rusyn), 1/2 Slovakian. He is not a Croatian, nor does he consider himself one. He considers himself an Eastern European immigrant to the US because of his parents' background, but I know Croatia has NEVER been considered our land of origin. Please remove this as it is incorrect - and also unfair to the two countries to which he does associate himself. While I obviously consider this an indisputable fact as I am his niece, I will leave it to others to determine that. However, I'd like this changed as soon as possible. I would be happy to add the information under the other countries as well as a bio of my uncle.Winterlongone01:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
hahaha, you're lying, to the US?? Isn't he from South Africa? I've added him to the list along with the other bishops... Potocnjak is either Slovanian or Croatian, probably Slovenian tho, now that I think about it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cold water (talk • contribs) 05:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
No...I'm not lying. My uncle, who spells his name Potocnak (no j, please) may currently be a bishop *in* South Africa, but is not FROM South Africa. While he now reports directly to Rome, his initial association was Sacred Heart, US branch (Wisconsin - he went to seminary there). Potocnak is (according to my grandparents) Slovakian, *not* Slovenian. My uncle, in fact, was BORN in the US, in Pennsylvania to be exact. It is his parents who were the immigrants. His mother was Ukrainian (Rusyn), father Slovakian. Please take your ignorance and racism somewhere else, please.Winterlongone19:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Marco Polo was born in Venice. Quote from "Il Milione": Marco Polo, savio e nobile cittadino di Vinegia. Please, have a look here: [18]
I've removed Marco Polo because there is no written evidence of Marco Polo ever being born or living in Korcula. If somebody wants him added back, they should provide a reference. This IS an encyclopedia after all. Furthermore, even if he had been born in Korcula, the island was a part of the Venetian Republic at the time which would've still made him Venetian, not Croatian. If being born in Venetian Korcula makes someone Croatian, why stop there? Let's also declare the Roman emperor Diocletian to be Croatian too, since he was born near Split and lived in Split. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.73 (talk) 00:17, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
This article needs thorough cleaning up.
So many names that don't deserve to be here. I see (self)propaganda of anonimous persons. Kubura14:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Ivo Andric is born in Bosnia in a catholic family! Ivo Andric has never lived in Croatia, he spent his life writing books in Serbia, that is also where he recived his Nobel prize. Claiming that Ivo Andric is from Croatia is as stupid as claiming that Kim Il Sung is from Zimbabwe. Ivo Andric has also stated numerous times that he is in fact Serb.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Adnan22 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Adnan, read the article before you say something. Here's a scanned picture, where Ivo Andrić declared himself as a Croat (he did that part of his life). Is this enough? Kubura07:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
No it is not enough, Ivo Andric has nothing to do with croatia, he has never lived in croatia. As it says on the paper he is from Bosnia. Later on in life Ivo Andric has stated that he is serb. He has spent his life in Serbia, and later on stated that he is a serb. Bottom line is, he is born in Bosnia and not croatia. He is definetley not from croatia or a croatian national.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.214.204.91 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Childish denying. Look at the evidence. He declared himself as Croat in one part of his life. But his family is Croat family. Live with that. Kubura18:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
No but rather nationalistic lies to decieve others. You do realise that many people in Bosnia and Serbia and hell even Slovenia call themselves Croats even though they DO not or have NEVER lived in Croatia? Explain to me why he chose to live his life in Serbia and not in his "homeland" croatia? Because he is NOT croatian, he could be croat but NOT croatian!
Nikola Tesla has never lived in Serbia but he is nevertheless nationalized as Serb. That's what bothers me the most! The real truth is that his father and mother are Croatians but the father went from being catholic to orthodox so the Serbs took him as their own! It's not important where're you born it's important what's your real nationality. Andric has all of a sudden decided to be Serb, well it's not something you decide just like that! Mianmar (talk) 23:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Marijan Benes is a Bosnian
Can you people stop listing personalities who are not from croatia as famous croatian people? Marijan Benes is and has lived in Bosnia in the town of Banjaluka. He is a Bosnian catholic, you can come down to Banjaluka find the pub called "Nana" and ask Marijan Yourself! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adnan22 (talk • contribs) 14:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Oscar Nemon
Please can you change the sculptor Nemon Oscar to Oscar Nemon as his name is the wrong way round? Many thanks, Emma —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.3.130.151 (talk) 19:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
Johnny Mercer is not Croatian
Johnny Mercer is not Croatian. He himself was born in Savannah, Georgia, USA. His father's line is American for several generations. His maternal grandparents were Croatian immigrants, but his mother was American-born and a US citizen. Scott Johnson14:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
CAN SOMEONE REMOVE THE PICTURE OF TITO? WHY IS IT THAT OF ALL THE PEOPLE HE IS THE ONLY ONE WITH A PICTURE?
PLEASE REMOVE IT TO PRESERVE MY SANNITY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.136.42 (talk • contribs) 02:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Add Zvonimir Berković
I propose adding Zvonimir Berković, film director, screenplay writer and university professor (See IMDB about Berković, or Wikipedia about Rondo, one of his films). He is also quite uncontroversial.
So far, I have added many names, and contributed greatly to this list, but because most of the names have been taken off, I just don't feel like continuing doing this. This list is pretty weird. There are many other celebrities with distant Croatian heritage that I've found, but don't feel like adding them here. I wish we had another site for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cold water (talk • contribs) 23:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
The German - US cinema director Werner Herzog
In some biographies is written that at least one of his parents were Croatians,it seems that his father.His real name is mentioned to be Werner Stipetic,if this is not a legend.Ewan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.47.229 (talk) 09:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't know who made this list but I can tell he made a terrible job. This list has too many mistakes, first of all Slavica Ecclestone, I don't know who the hell put her on the list because she is an ethnic Serb. This guy Dušan Vukotić is hardly a Croat, you just need to look at his name Dušan and if you have a brain you will understand that he is not a Croat. Branko Lustig is not a Croat but a Jew and he belong to the List of Jews list, the same thing is with David Schwarz. Strossmayer is a half-Croat and he should be removed from the list. Ivo Andrić isn't a Croat damnit, he declared as a Serb multiple times and he belongs to the List of Serbs. You should put on your list Svetozar Boroević von Bojna who was orthodox by religion but he declared as a Croat. Nina Morić and Saša,Tin i Kedžo, what can I say to that, they are not famous and I'm not sure that they are Croats. So this list needs some cleansing.Crabath (talk) 17:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Well I can say that this guy Svetozar Delić is a Serb. About Bojana Bijelić I can't say anything but her name sounds like a Serb name. Branislav and Branimir are not the same, have you ever seen a Serb named Branimir.
P.S. you can't be certain with names of people who lived were borned during YU because back then you could find a Serbian name on a Croat and the opposite (thing were fucked up).
But still some names are Serbian for sure like: Aleksandar, Pavle, Duško/Dušan, Boris...Crabath (talk) 13:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't mean a thing if someone declares to be a Serbian or Croatian! You are what you are, it's in your friggin genes man! David Schwartz (Crnich) and Branko Lustig ARE Croatians! We call OUR people and OUR land Croatian, unlike the Serbs who often think that wherever a Serbian sets foot is Serbia (It's true, their own academics ,scientists and intelectual elite have agreed to this) !! It's SICK, and I'm SICK and TIRED of that idiotism! Mianmar (talk) 23:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Having recently gone through the effort of sourcing the Rose Mofford article, I have come across multiple references indicating her parents immigrated from Austria in or about 1912 (online references available here and [19]). While it is true that modern day Croatia was part of Austria-Hungary at the time in question, there does not appear to be any sources showing Mofford's ethnic background. Thus the conclusion she is Croatian appears to be origianl research. --Allen3talk23:39, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
There is quite a bit of writing regarding Haydn's Croat ancestry and the influence this had on his music. It is something that should be explored though it is understandable why there might be resistance. Just the mention that the Haydn penned German National anthem bears striking similarity to the Croatian folk song "Stal se jesem" can easily cause antagonism amongst some.
Joseph Haydn (1738-1803) was born in a Croatian ethnic enclave in Burgenland (Gradisce) in Austria. Parents of Franz Joseph Haydn are Mathias Haiden and Anna Maria Haidin, as can be seen on their grave in the Rohrau cemetery even today.Haydn is a common Croatian family name. In the Croatian telephone book you can see the names of Hajdin, Hajdina, Hajdinjak, Hajdinac, Hajdinovic: 63 families in the Zagreb county, 91 families in Medimurje and Varazdin counties, 65 families in Primorsko-Goranska county; and altogether 320 families in the whole Croatia (1999). There is a village of Hajdine near Vrbovsko in Croatia, on the main road to Rijeka, and the village of Hajdin near Vojnic. The name Hajdin (= hajda's) is derived from hajda = buckwheat.
Until 1954, the well known Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians, London, accepted the opinion of Haiden (Haydn) as the Croat (and since that year accepted the opinion of Schmid about his alledged German roots)
Dutch historian of art Henrik van Loon (in 1937) and Canadian historian Murray Gibbon (in 1938) pointed out to the political motivations in these questions, and that it should not be alowed to "Teutons" to deny Croatian roots of Haiden
Larousse Musique in 1957 considers the Slavic - Croatian roots of Haydn possible.
Sir Kenneth Clark, in his TV presentation The Civilisation (famous for his book having the same title), shown by Swiss - Italian TV in 1970s, claims Haiden to be the Croat
Anthony Hodgson in his book The Music of Joseph Haydn (London, 1976) considers Hayden to be the Croat born in Trstenik (Rohrau), and stresses notable presence of Croatian folk melodies in Heidens's famous symphonies
A Croatian Composer;Notes towards the study of Joseph Haydn by Sir William H. Hadow (First edition in 1897, London,Seely and co. limited, reprinted in 1972, New York Books for Libraries Press, Freeport, New York)
Hayden included in his music about 30 Croatian folk melodies!
Haydn's melody Gott erhalte (German National Anthem) is evidenced from Croatian Littoral and environs of Zagreb to Medjimurje on the North, and to Gradisce (Burgenland) in Austria
From MusicaClassica:
A distinguishing trait of Haydn's works was his frequent use of Croatian folk music for his melodic material. Wrote W. H. Hadow: "The Croatian melodies are bright, sensitive, piquant, but they seldom rise to any high level of dignity or earnestness. They belong to a temper which is marked rather by feeling and imagination than by any sustained breadth of thought, and hence, while they enrich their own field of art with great beauty, there are certain frontiers which they rarely cross, and from which, if crossed, they soon return." Even many of Haydn's original melodies are characterized by typical rhythmic and melodic qualities to be found in the Croatian folk songs. However, as Franze Bellinger has added, "Haydn's speech, like that of every genius, was not only that of his race, but of the world." To these Croatian characteristics, Haydn added his high inspiration and sensitivity, and produced a type of melody which, for the most part, is unmistakably his.
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