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1935 births

I appreciate it may be a little too soon for this, but I've put together the following list of 1935 births, who will start to be eligible for inclusion in the article within a few months. To make sure I found as many as possible, I went through the articles on heads of state and heads of government for each state in turn. Of course I may nonetheless have missed some, so additions would be welcome. Any sources that can be found that's newer or better is also welcome.

Name	State	Position	Birth	Note/sources
Giovanni Lajolo	Vatican	President of the Governorate (2006–2011)	3 January 1935	Unclear status list
António Ramalho Eanes	Portugal	President of the Revolutionary Council (1976–1982) President (1976–1986)	25 January 1935	[1]
Brian Mullooly	Ireland	Member of the Presidential Commission during vacancy (1997)	21 February 1935	unclear status list
Artur Rasizade	Azerbaijan	Prime Minister (1996–2003, 2003–2018)	26 February 1935	[2] Better source if possible is needed.
Mohammed Basindawa	Yemen	Prime Minister (2011–2014)	4 April 1935
Peter Hollingworth	Australia	Governor-General (2002–2003)	10 April 1935	[3]
P. J. Patterson	Jamaica	Prime Minister (1992–2006)		[4]
Sharavyn Gungaadorj	Mongolian People's Republic	Prime Minister (1990)	2 May 1935	Needs a source, article does mention he runs a Agropro, maybe they have chair person list or have been in the news.
Nemesi Marqués Oste	Andorra	Representative of the Episcopal Co-Prince (1993–2012)	17 May 1935
José Mujica	Uruguay	President (2010–2015)	20 May 1935	[5] He speaks a lot to press, newer sources could be used.
Léon Kengo wa Dondo	Zaire	First State Commissioner (1982–1986, 1988–1990); Prime Minster (1994–1997)	22 May 1935
Sultan Ali Keshtmand	Afghanistan (Democratic Republic of)	Prime Minister (1981–1988, 1989–1990)	22 May 1935	[6]
Jim Bolger	New Zealand	Prime Minister (1990–1997)	31 May 1935	[7]
Lee Hoi-chang	South Korea	Prime Minister (1993–1994)	2 June 1935	Needs source that mentions him not running for president.
Rodrigo Borja Cevallos	Ecuador	President (1988–1992)	19 June 1935	[8]
Tenzin Gyatso	Tibet	Ruler (1950–1959) Dalai Lama (1937–present)	6 July 1935	Unclear status list? [9]
Hifikepunye Pohamba	Namibia	President (2005–2015)	18 August 1935	[10]
Abdou Diouf	Senegal	Prime Minister (1970–1980) President (1981–2000)	7 September 1935	[11] Better source if possible is needed.
Henri Benoit de Coignac	Andorra	French Viguier (1982–1984)	3 October 1935
Daniel Williams	Grenada	Governor-General (1996–2008)	4 November 1935	[12]
Young Vivian	Niue	Premier (1992–1993, 2002–2008)	12 November 1935	[13] Unclear status list
Mahmoud Abbas	Palestine	President (2005–present) Prime Minister (2003) Chairman PLO (2004–present)	15 November 1935	Unlclear status list? Member state of the UN. [14] With the Israel Gaza events, expect sources for him for quite a bit of time.
Stojan Andov	Macedonia (Former Yugoslav Republic of)	Acting President (1995)	30 November 1935	[15]
Adnan Badran	Jordan	Prime Minister (2005)	15 December 1935	[16] confirmation needed.
Edward Schreyer	Canada	Governor General (1979–1984)	21 December 1935	[17]
Salman	Saudi Arabia	King (2015–present) Prime Minister (2015–2022)	31 December 1935	[18], although I assume he has more recent news out there.
Al-Jazuli Daf'allah	Sudan	Prime Minister (1985–1986)	December 1935	Unclear DoB list
Leonel Mário d'Alva	São Tomé and Príncipe	Acting President (1991)	1935	Unclear DoB list
Mohammed Ali Salim	Libya	Acting President (2012)	1935	Unclear DoB/status list

2A02:8012:227B:0:DDF6:42C0:DAA6:FD03 (talk) 12:50, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I did some looking up of this as well, and I'll add the few missing I've found. And my list has sources, maybe I'll add them as well. TheCorriynial (talk) 15:57, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for adding sources and Sharavyn Gungaadorj, who I missed. I've removed Sir John Swan though as Bermuda isn't an sovereign state, but a British Overseas Territory. On a similar basis, I looked again at whether Young Vivian of Niue should be included. Political status of the Cook Islands and Niue seems quite clear that the island's status is akin to the Compact of Free Association states. 2A02:8012:227B:0:DDF6:42C0:DAA6:FD03 (talk) 17:00, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

In relation to Mahmoud Abbas, Palestine has been recognised by the UN since 2012, but his tenure goes back before that, so I was unsure precisely what description to use for him and whether/in what way the shift in status should be indicated in the table. That's why I put 'Unclear staus?' with a question mark - I was unclear about his specific title(s) as leader over time.

I was similarly unsure about the Dalai Lama. He will almost certainly be in the 'Unclear status' table, but what to describe him as, and over what time period? I think what I've put in the table is simple and accurate, but it may not be. 2A02:8012:227B:0:8875:5FA5:E124:5FEB (talk) 14:12, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

José Mujica is from Uruguay, not from Paraguay Pindrice (talk) 22:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

The claim of the Palestinian Territories (the only legal entity that exists under the Oslo Accords) to legal statehood is not recognised by most of the Big Five in the UN (UK, USA, France) and observer status at the UN is not actual membership. Those factors should weigh the most when considering where Abbas should go. 180.150.38.126 (talk) 14:52, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Postponing archive Star Garnet (talk) 07:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Exact same dates of birth

Rather than start another edit war, here is my rationale for alphabetical by country name rather than by the oldest living state leaders' surname: alphabetical by country name was the consensus (arbitrarily imposed by the list creator?) tie-breaker in the list article List of current state leaders by date of assumption of office‎, that I decided to import into this list article. If this is not the consensus for <underline>this</underline> list article, then can we establish another consensus?– Jwkozak91 (talk) 02:20, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

We should follow the tie-breaker criteria of the other related page. GoodDay (talk) 03:26, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

This is a list of leaders; their country, date of assumption, etc. are secondary details. Alphabetical by name is the most logical tiebreaker to me. Star Garnet (talk) 04:34, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 01:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't even consider it would be alphabetical by country. That explains why the 2 visible ties are not in the same order by surname. I think alphabetical by name makes more sense though since that's how most lists of people break ties. Emk9 (talk) 20:09, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Unproven possibilities and future additions

There is a list of all leaders for which there is not a death date on Rulers.org (at least before one month), and I sorted them in few categories (U stands for "unproven", A for "alive"):

Name	State	Position	Birth	note
Possibly dead, but potential additions if a recent source can be found
Emmanuel Bruny	Haiti	Executive Government Council (1957)	1915
J.L. Malhautra	Sikkim	Acting Political Officer (1964)	1915	Unlikely position qualifies
Feliciano Avelar	El Salvador	Member of the Civic-Military Directory (1961-1962)	1919	Could this be him? [19] ; Obviously not, as there are sources of him being alive in 1965
Avtar Singh	Sikkim	Political Officer (1964-1966)	18 October 1921	Unlikely position qualifies; possibly died in 2015 [20] common name/surname combination though
Ricardo Falla Cáceres	El Salvador	Junta of Government (1960-1961)	1921	Spanish wiki [21] and some other sources [22] [23] claim 1929-1990
Jaime Florentino Mendieta Vargas	Bolivia	Junta of Commanders of the Armed Forces (1971)	1922	Possibly 1926-2000?
Marino Vagnetti	San Marino	Captain Regent (1971-1972, 1989)	1924
Ahmad al-Sayari	Yemen (Kingdom)	Prime Minister (1962)	1924	Unclear status/DoB list No citation, see discussion here
Ri Kun-mo	DPR Korea	Premier (1986-1988)	1926	Likely deceased, see discussion here; [[24]] claims that he didn't die in 2001, but simply retired
Emmanuel Bodjollé	Togo	Chairman of the Insurrection Committee (1963)	1928	Needs a better citation
Michel Lévêque	Monaco	Minister of State (1997-2000)	19 July 1933	Needs a more recent citation
Martin M'Bia	Congo (People's Republic of the) [a.k.a. Congo-Brazzaville]	Member of the Military Committee (1977)	1934	Unclear status/DoB list Some sources indicate he might be dead: [25], [26] and [27]
Óscar Pammo Rodríguez	Bolivia	Junta member (1981)	1934	Unclear status/DoB list Needs a more recent citation (2006: [28])

"None of the Soviet Republic Party Secretaries in this table were in power when their republics were recognized as independent states by other United Nations member states, or by the Commission of the European Economic Community, which should be the criterion for their inclusion in the main article table. Vaino Väljas is a special case, as he was still Party Chairman on August 20, 1991 (the day Estonia restored its independence); however, the Popular Front of Estonia had won the ESSR's republic elections on March 18, 1990, and were directing the government in Tallinn, not the republic's Communist Party." – Jwkozak91 (talk) 05:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

1. Good possibility of being alive (1926-1929, 1930 and later to be done): (U=3, A=0)

• Ambrose Patrick Genda, Sierra Leone, head of government, 1927, somebody with the same name died in London in 2001 (and in "Reinventing the Colonial State: Constitutionalism, One-party Rule, and Civil" (p. 138), it is claimed that he had lived in London) and German wiki claimed he died in 2015

Asked about him on German Wiki, he died in 2002, the user told me that the source is "The Paradoxes of History and Memory in Post-Colonial Sierra Leone". I still won't cross him, as I can't preview the book, but I am 99% sure he is not alive anymore StjepanHR (talk) 15:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

I agree he's very likely deceased, though I notice that the page reference given in the German article (p679) can't be right because the publisher only lists the book as having 332 pages! Curiously, Genda doesn't appear on List of heads of state of Sierra Leone at all - I don't know why, as others in 'office' for as little as a couple of days do appear. 217.155.59.206 (talk) 12:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• Ri Kun-mo, North Korea, prime minister, 1926, published in 2004, chronology through 2001, now disputed. Died in 2001 according to Alexandre Mansourov.

• Emmanuel Bodjollé, Togo, committee, 1928

"Historical Dictionary of Togo" (ed. 2021) refers to him as "retired". Is it enough to put him on the list? StjepanHR (talk) 03:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

– Adding to prevent further archiving – Jwkozak91 (talk) 08:24, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

- and again, bot closed it TheCorriynial (talk) 15:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Postponing archive Star Garnet (talk) 07:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

1934 births

I think this concept of a table is a good one.

As of 27 December 2021, there are 3 people left to add to the hidden 5 in the main article table. I could only find these people going through 1934#Births (again, feel free to add others or remove those who are deceased):

Name	State	Position	Birth	note
Rudolf Schuster	Slovakia	President (1999–2004)	4 January 1934	Added to main list 9/7/2022
Jean Chrétien	Canada	Prime Minister (1993–2003)	11 January 1934	Added to main list 15/7/2022
Édith Cresson	France	Prime Minister (1991–1992)	27 January 1934	Added to main list 30/8/2022
Eddie Fenech Adami	Malta	Prime Minister (1987–1996; 1998–2004) President (2004–2009)	7 February 1934	Added to main list 8/9/2022
Mohamed Ennaceur	Tunisia	Acting President (2019)	21 March 1934	Added to main list 4/11/2022
J. Y. Pillay	Singapore	Acting President (2017)	30 March 1934	Added to main list 5/11/2022
Édouard Frank	Central African Republic	Prime Minister (1991–1992)	5 April 1934	Added to main list 30/11/2022; needs a more recent citation
John Malecela	Tanzania	Prime Minister (1990–1994)	19 April 1934	Added to main list 31/12/2022
Pedro Pires	Cape Verde	Prime Minister (1975–1991) President (2001–2011)	29 April 1934	Added to main list 3/1/2023
Lee Hong-koo	South Korea	Prime Minister (1994–1995)	9 May 1934	Added to main list 9/2/2023
Heng Samrin	Kampuchea (People's Republic of)	President of the Council of State (1979–1992) Party General Secretary (1981–1991)	25 May 1934	Added to main list 11/2/2023
Monica Dacon	Saint Vincent and the Grenadines	Acting Governor-General (2002)	4 June 1934	Added to main list 22/4/2023
Albert II	Belgium	King (1993–2013)	7 June 1934	Added to main list 6/7/2023
Désiré Rakotoarijaona	Madagascar (People's Republic of)	Prime Minister (1977–1988)	19 June 1934	Added to main list 21/7/2023
Dumitru Mazilu	Romania	Member of the National Salvation Front Council (1989)	24 June 1934	Added to unclear status list 27/7/2023
Fernando José de França Dias Van-Dúnem	Angola	Prime Minister (1991–1992; 1996–1999)	24 August 1934	Added to main list 27/7/2023
Ricardo de la Espriella	Panama	President (1982–1984)	5 September 1934	Added to main list 1/8/2023
Apas Jumagulov	Kyrgyzstan	Prime Minister (1993–1998)	19 September 1934	Added to main list 22/9/2023
Eugene Koffi Adoboli	Togo	Prime Minister (1999–2000)	3 October 1934	Added to main list 21/10/2023
Yakubu Gowon	Nigeria	Head of the Federal Military Government (1966–1975)	19 October 1934	Added to main list 29 (30, announced date in NZ)/12/2023
Hamilton Green	Guyana	Prime Minister (1985–1992)	9 November 1934	Added to main list 1/1/2024
Ingvar Carlsson	Sweden	Prime Minister (1986–1991; 1994–1996)
Nicéphore Soglo	Benin	Acting Prime Minister (1990–1991) President (1991–1996)	29 November 1934	Added to main list 28/2/2024
Tarcisio Bertone	Vatican	Camerlengo during papal vacancy (2013)	2 December 1934	Unclear status list
Pratibha Patil	India	President (2007–2012)	19 December 1934
Stjepan Mesić	Yugoslavia Croatia	President of the Presidency (1991) President (2000–2010)	24 December 1934
Waldo Bernal Pereira	Bolivia	Junta member (1980; 1981)	1931/1934	Added to unclear status/DoB list 13/2/2022
Félix Mouzabakani	Congo-Brazzaville	Co-Commander of the Army (1963)	1934	Added to unclear status/DoB list 9/7/2022
Severiano Tura	San Marino	Captain Regent (1985)	c. 1934	Added to unclear DoB list 8/2/2023

– Jwkozak91 (talk) 08:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Maybe Waldo Bernal Pereira should be added to the main article (unknown birth with unclear status) StjepanHR (talk) 18:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I put Bernal Pereira in an unknown birth with unclear status table; it was deleted by another user.– Jwkozak91 (talk) 21:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Any recent media coverage? Star Garnet (talk) 22:04, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand Spanish, but from this: [29] , with the use of Google translate, it seems he was living on a farm in 2018. StjepanHR (talk) 23:22, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

- Adding to prevent further archiving TheCorriynial (talk) 20:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

And again. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 08:08, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

– And again.– Jwkozak91 (talk) 06:39, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Postponing archive Star Garnet (talk) 07:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

High Representative

I notice that List of current state leaders by date of assumption of office includes the incumbent High Representative for Bosnia and Herzegovina. Looking at the article on the office, inclusion seems to be based on the fact that it's powers are wide-ranging and analogous to a viceroy. On that basis, would we want to include previous occupant Christian Schwarz-Schilling (born 1930) in the unclear status list here?. 217.155.59.206 (talk) 11:12, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Maybe, but didn't Bosnia and Herzegovina have its own president? EDIT: I've since looked at Bosnia and Herzegovina, and it does mention the High Representative as in government infobox, above the President, so it would imply high importance or main co-leader. TheCorriynial (talk) 15:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I thought their collective presidency was the highest position. GoodDay (talk) 17:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I would have said the same until I saw it included in the other list article and read a bit more; it seems to have powers over and above the presidency. A unique case certainly. I'm not necessarily suggesting Schwarz-Schilling goes in the main list, but the 'unclear status' one with a footnote. 217.155.59.206 (talk) 12:18, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I do believe we have moved people from unclear to main list when we were sure. TheCorriynial (talk) 00:03, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Sir James Patrick Ivan Hennessy

Looking at Belize, this gentlemen was a Governor and Commander-in-Chief of British Honduras, now known as Belize before independence in 1981. It seems like this role is similar to a GG, and he is still alive within our sources length of time. Is it possible he needs added? Source, by the way: TheCorriynial (talk) 13:33, 6 February 2024 (UTC) EDIT: Sir James Patrick Ivan Hennessy has died, so wouldn't be in the list regardless now.

No, because British Honduras wasn't a sovereign state. GoodDay (talk) 16:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

References

Unknown birth dates

Regular editors of this article may wish to contribute to this discussion: Talk:Lists of state leaders by age#Unknown birth dates for Abdul Momin and Hastings Banda. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 01:08, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

1934 births

I think this concept of a table is a good one.

As of 27 December 2021, there are 3 people left to add to the hidden 5 in the main article table. I could only find these people going through 1934#Births (again, feel free to add others or remove those who are deceased):

Name	State	Position	Birth	note
Rudolf Schuster	Slovakia	President (1999–2004)	4 January 1934	Added to main list 9/7/2022
Jean Chrétien	Canada	Prime Minister (1993–2003)	11 January 1934	Added to main list 15/7/2022
Édith Cresson	France	Prime Minister (1991–1992)	27 January 1934	Added to main list 30/8/2022
Eddie Fenech Adami	Malta	Prime Minister (1987–1996; 1998–2004) President (2004–2009)	7 February 1934	Added to main list 8/9/2022
Mohamed Ennaceur	Tunisia	Acting President (2019)	21 March 1934	Added to main list 4/11/2022
J. Y. Pillay	Singapore	Acting President (2017)	30 March 1934	Added to main list 5/11/2022
Édouard Frank	Central African Republic	Prime Minister (1991–1992)	5 April 1934	Added to main list 30/11/2022; needs a more recent citation
John Malecela	Tanzania	Prime Minister (1990–1994)	19 April 1934	Added to main list 31/12/2022
Pedro Pires	Cape Verde	Prime Minister (1975–1991) President (2001–2011)	29 April 1934	Added to main list 3/1/2023
Lee Hong-koo	South Korea	Prime Minister (1994–1995)	9 May 1934	Added to main list 9/2/2023
Heng Samrin	Kampuchea (People's Republic of)	President of the Council of State (1979–1992) Party General Secretary (1981–1991)	25 May 1934	Added to main list 11/2/2023
Monica Dacon	Saint Vincent and the Grenadines	Acting Governor-General (2002)	4 June 1934	Added to main list 22/4/2023
Albert II	Belgium	King (1993–2013)	7 June 1934	Added to main list 6/7/2023
Désiré Rakotoarijaona	Madagascar (People's Republic of)	Prime Minister (1977–1988)	19 June 1934	Added to main list 21/7/2023
Dumitru Mazilu	Romania	Member of the National Salvation Front Council (1989)	24 June 1934	Added to unclear status list 27/7/2023
Fernando José de França Dias Van-Dúnem	Angola	Prime Minister (1991–1992; 1996–1999)	24 August 1934	Added to main list 27/7/2023
Ricardo de la Espriella	Panama	President (1982–1984)	5 September 1934	Added to main list 1/8/2023
Apas Jumagulov	Kyrgyzstan	Prime Minister (1993–1998)	19 September 1934	Added to main list 22/9/2023
Eugene Koffi Adoboli	Togo	Prime Minister (1999–2000)	3 October 1934	Added to main list 21/10/2023
Yakubu Gowon	Nigeria	Head of the Federal Military Government (1966–1975)	19 October 1934	Added to main list 29 (30, announced date in NZ)/12/2023
Hamilton Green	Guyana	Prime Minister (1985–1992)	9 November 1934	Added to main list 1/1/2024
Ingvar Carlsson	Sweden	Prime Minister (1986–1991; 1994–1996)
Nicéphore Soglo	Benin	Acting Prime Minister (1990–1991) President (1991–1996)	29 November 1934	Added to main list 28/2/2024
Tarcisio Bertone	Vatican	Camerlengo during papal vacancy (2013)	2 December 1934	added to Unclear status list 29/2/2024
Pratibha Patil	India	President (2007–2012)	19 December 1934	Added to main list 29/2/2024
Stjepan Mesić	Yugoslavia Croatia	President of the Presidency (1991) President (2000–2010)	24 December 1934	Added via Frank's removal of outdated source to main list 5/3/2024
Waldo Bernal Pereira	Bolivia	Junta member (1980; 1981)	1931/1934	Added to unclear status/DoB list 13/2/2022
Félix Mouzabakani	Congo-Brazzaville	Co-Commander of the Army (1963)	1934	Added to unclear status/DoB list 9/7/2022
Severiano Tura	San Marino	Captain Regent (1985)	c. 1934	Added to unclear DoB list 8/2/2023

– Jwkozak91 (talk) 08:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Maybe Waldo Bernal Pereira should be added to the main article (unknown birth with unclear status) StjepanHR (talk) 18:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I put Bernal Pereira in an unknown birth with unclear status table; it was deleted by another user.– Jwkozak91 (talk) 21:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Any recent media coverage? Star Garnet (talk) 22:04, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand Spanish, but from this: [30] , with the use of Google translate, it seems he was living on a farm in 2018. StjepanHR (talk) 23:22, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

- Adding to prevent further archiving TheCorriynial (talk) 20:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

And again. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 08:08, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

– And again.– Jwkozak91 (talk) 06:39, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Postponing archive Star Garnet (talk) 07:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Re-postponing archive TheCorriynial (talk) 23:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

One more leader remains, then we move into 1935. Now, into 1935. TheCorriynial (talk) 18:13, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

No report about 100. birthday

I know that you have the policy to include leaders in this list if we have a prove for them to be alive in the last 10 years. But the 100. birthday is such are rare and important event that we shouldn't include a former leader in this list, who should be older than 100 years and we don't have a report for this birthday. (Neverless sometimes it takes some days for the report, but if there wasn't a report in the week after the birthday don't count on a later report.) César Yanes Urías is listed as older then 103 years, but the last report was when he was 98 years old. I realy doubt that he's alive because we didn't had a report for 100., 101., 102. and 103. birthday. Do you realy want to let him on the list until october 2028 with an given age of 108? That would make us look ridiculous - maybe we look like since we he's listed with 100 years. Maybe next years we would have the same problem with Mohammad Hasan Sharq, who would be 100. years old in July 2025. But the last report about him was when he was 91! So if there is no report about his 100. next year, we should move him from the list. Btw.: In four days the 10-years-window will be closed for Édouard Frank. So don't forget to move him from the list. As I told you before: 10 years is a very big window... 2003:E9:2710:68:1803:A872:E4F7:AC74 (talk) 10:27, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

There is a photo of César Yanes Urías when he was 100 in 2021, see this: TheCorriynial (talk) 12:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Sources added. Thanks. But I was the last link from 2018 and not 2021? Is there also a later sources vor Sharq? If not we should talk about that.2003:E9:2710:68:1803:A872:E4F7:AC74 (talk) 14:43, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Sharq was interviewed in January 2021.--95.244.120.237 (talk) 18:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Please add new sources. 2003:E9:2710:7D:1D48:E9F2:1A7A:3ABD (talk) 17:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Oldest living

@Andro611: you're making a mess of the page. GoodDay (talk) 22:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Good day to you too.

But I don't see any mess. All are now in order. Andro611 (talk) 22:58, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

My apologies. I seem to have missed two ordinals. I have fixed them now. Andro611 (talk) 23:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Isn't the reason why we had current #1 in unclear was the fact his term overlapped a period of transition between a Soviet state? TheCorriynial (talk) 23:25, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

This has been discussed multiple times previously, without any apparent consensus. As per WP:BRD the page should not be altered until there is consensus to do so. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 01:54, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I see no counter-argument being presented each time. You said yourself that recognition is a criteria for inclusion, yet Taiwan (ROC) is included even though fewer than 20 countries recognized it at the time and was not a part of the UN.

Each time the discussion goes with one editor voicing opposition to which the other responds with a very detailed breakdown and explanation and gets no response. Andro611 (talk) 12:31, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes that might be true, but when Mr. Manolic became Croatia's Prime Minister the Croatian constitution was still not in effect, so technically he is not regarded as a state leader of a sovereign state and as for The Republic of China (Taiwan, ROC) it was a recognized state up to this date. 2001:FD8:1720:F19D:304C:F401:D834:196C (talk) 07:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Unproven possibilities and future additions

There is a list of all leaders for which there is not a death date on Rulers.org (at least before one month), and I sorted them in few categories (U stands for "unproven", A for "alive"):

Name	State	Position	Birth	note
Possibly dead, but potential additions if a recent source can be found
Emmanuel Bruny	Haiti	Executive Government Council (1957)	1915
J.L. Malhautra	Sikkim	Acting Political Officer (1964)	1915	Unlikely position qualifies
Feliciano Avelar	El Salvador	Member of the Civic-Military Directory (1961-1962)	1919	Could this be him? [31] ; Obviously not, as there are sources of him being alive in 1965
Avtar Singh	Sikkim	Political Officer (1964-1966)	18 October 1921	Unlikely position qualifies; possibly died in 2015 [32] common name/surname combination though
Ricardo Falla Cáceres	El Salvador	Junta of Government (1960-1961)	1921	Spanish wiki [33] and some other sources [34] [35] claim 1929-1990
Jaime Florentino Mendieta Vargas	Bolivia	Junta of Commanders of the Armed Forces (1971)	1922	Possibly 1926-2000?
Marino Vagnetti	San Marino	Captain Regent (1971-1972, 1989)	1924
Ahmad al-Sayari	Yemen (Kingdom)	Prime Minister (1962)	1924	Unclear status/DoB list No citation, see discussion here
Ri Kun-mo	DPR Korea	Premier (1986-1988)	1926	Likely deceased, see discussion here; [[36]] claims that he didn't die in 2001, but simply retired
Emmanuel Bodjollé	Togo	Chairman of the Insurrection Committee (1963)	1928	Needs a better citation
Michel Lévêque	Monaco	Minister of State (1997-2000)	19 July 1933	Needs a more recent citation
Martin M'Bia	Congo (People's Republic of the) [a.k.a. Congo-Brazzaville]	Member of the Military Committee (1977)	1934	Unclear status/DoB list Some sources indicate he might be dead: [37], [38] and [39]
Óscar Pammo Rodríguez	Bolivia	Junta member (1981)	1934	Unclear status/DoB list Needs a more recent citation (2006: [40])
Édouard Frank	Central African Republic	Prime Minister (1991–1992)	5 April 1934	Needs a more recent citation

"None of the Soviet Republic Party Secretaries in this table were in power when their republics were recognized as independent states by other United Nations member states, or by the Commission of the European Economic Community, which should be the criterion for their inclusion in the main article table. Vaino Väljas is a special case, as he was still Party Chairman on August 20, 1991 (the day Estonia restored its independence); however, the Popular Front of Estonia had won the ESSR's republic elections on March 18, 1990, and were directing the government in Tallinn, not the republic's Communist Party." – Jwkozak91 (talk) 05:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

1. Good possibility of being alive (1926-1929, 1930 and later to be done): (U=3, A=0)

• Ambrose Patrick Genda, Sierra Leone, head of government, 1927, somebody with the same name died in London in 2001 (and in "Reinventing the Colonial State: Constitutionalism, One-party Rule, and Civil" (p. 138), it is claimed that he had lived in London) and German wiki claimed he died in 2015

Asked about him on German Wiki, he died in 2002, the user told me that the source is "The Paradoxes of History and Memory in Post-Colonial Sierra Leone". I still won't cross him, as I can't preview the book, but I am 99% sure he is not alive anymore StjepanHR (talk) 15:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

I agree he's very likely deceased, though I notice that the page reference given in the German article (p679) can't be right because the publisher only lists the book as having 332 pages! Curiously, Genda doesn't appear on List of heads of state of Sierra Leone at all - I don't know why, as others in 'office' for as little as a couple of days do appear. 217.155.59.206 (talk) 12:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• Ri Kun-mo, North Korea, prime minister, 1926, published in 2004, chronology through 2001, now disputed. Died in 2001 according to Alexandre Mansourov.

• Emmanuel Bodjollé, Togo, committee, 1928

"Historical Dictionary of Togo" (ed. 2021) refers to him as "retired". Is it enough to put him on the list? StjepanHR (talk) 03:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

– Adding to prevent further archiving – Jwkozak91 (talk) 08:24, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

- and again, bot closed it TheCorriynial (talk) 15:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Postponing archive Star Garnet (talk) 07:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Re-postponing archive TheCorriynial (talk) 23:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Preventing archiving. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 23:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

1935 births

I appreciate it may be a little too soon for this, but I've put together the following list of 1935 births, who will start to be eligible for inclusion in the article within a few months. To make sure I found as many as possible, I went through the articles on heads of state and heads of government for each state in turn. Of course I may nonetheless have missed some, so additions would be welcome. Any sources that can be found that's newer or better is also welcome.

Name	State	Position	Birth	Note/sources
Giovanni Lajolo	Vatican	President of the Governorate (2006–2011)	3 January 1935	Added to Unclear status list 12/6/24
António Ramalho Eanes	Portugal	President of the Revolutionary Council (1976–1982) President (1976–1986)	25 January 1935	[41] Added to main list on 12/6/24
Brian Mullooly	Ireland	Member of the Presidential Commission during vacancy (1997)	21 February 1935	Added to Unclear status list on 6/7/24
Artur Rasizade	Azerbaijan	Prime Minister (1996–2003, 2003–2018)	26 February 1935	[42] Added to main list on 6/7/24
Mohammed Basindawa	Yemen	Prime Minister (2011–2014)	4 April 1935
Peter Hollingworth	Australia	Governor-General (2002–2003)	10 April 1935	[43]
P. J. Patterson	Jamaica	Prime Minister (1992–2006)		[44]
Sharavyn Gungaadorj	Mongolian People's Republic	Prime Minister (1990)	2 May 1935	Needs a source, article does mention he runs a Agropro, maybe they have chair person list or have been in the news.
Nemesi Marqués Oste	Andorra	Representative of the Episcopal Co-Prince (1993–2012)	17 May 1935
José Mujica	Uruguay	President (2010–2015)	20 May 1935	[45] He speaks a lot to press, newer sources could be used.
Léon Kengo wa Dondo	Zaire	First State Commissioner (1982–1986, 1988–1990); Prime Minster (1994–1997)	22 May 1935	[46]
Sultan Ali Keshtmand	Afghanistan (Democratic Republic of)	Prime Minister (1981–1988, 1989–1990)	22 May 1935	[47]
Jim Bolger	New Zealand	Prime Minister (1990–1997)	31 May 1935	[48]
Lee Hoi-chang	South Korea	Prime Minister (1993–1994)	2 June 1935	Needs source that mentions him not running for president.
Rodrigo Borja Cevallos	Ecuador	President (1988–1992)	19 June 1935	[49]
Tenzin Gyatso	Tibet	Ruler (1950–1959) Dalai Lama (1937–present)	6 July 1935	Unclear status list? [50]
Hifikepunye Pohamba	Namibia	President (2005–2015)	18 August 1935	[51]
Abdou Diouf	Senegal	Prime Minister (1970–1980) President (1981–2000)	7 September 1935	[52]
Henri Benoit de Coignac	Andorra	French Viguier (1982–1984)	3 October 1935
Daniel Williams	Grenada	Governor-General (1996–2008)	4 November 1935	[53]
Young Vivian	Niue	Premier (1992–1993, 2002–2008)	12 November 1935	[54] Unclear status list
Mahmoud Abbas	Palestine	President (2005–present) Prime Minister (2003) Chairman PLO (2004–present)	15 November 1935	Unlclear status list? Member state of the UN. [55] With the Israel Gaza events, expect sources for him for quite a bit of time.
Adnan Badran	Jordan	Prime Minister (2005)	15 December 1935	[56]
Edward Schreyer	Canada	Governor General (1979–1984)	21 December 1935	[57]
Salman	Saudi Arabia	King (2015–present) Prime Minister (2015–2022)	31 December 1935	[58]
Al-Jazuli Daf'allah	Sudan	Prime Minister (1985–1986)	December 1935	Unclear DoB list
Leonel Mário d'Alva	São Tomé and Príncipe	Acting President (1991)	1935	Added to unclear DoB list 12/6/2024
Mohammed Ali Salim	Libya	Acting President (2012)	1935	Unclear DoB/status list; source needed

2A02:8012:227B:0:DDF6:42C0:DAA6:FD03 (talk) 12:50, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I did some looking up of this as well, and I'll add the few missing I've found. And my list has sources, maybe I'll add them as well. TheCorriynial (talk) 15:57, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for adding sources and Sharavyn Gungaadorj, who I missed. I've removed Sir John Swan though as Bermuda isn't an sovereign state, but a British Overseas Territory. On a similar basis, I looked again at whether Young Vivian of Niue should be included. Political status of the Cook Islands and Niue seems quite clear that the island's status is akin to the Compact of Free Association states. 2A02:8012:227B:0:DDF6:42C0:DAA6:FD03 (talk) 17:00, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

In relation to Mahmoud Abbas, Palestine has been recognised by the UN since 2012, but his tenure goes back before that, so I was unsure precisely what description to use for him and whether/in what way the shift in status should be indicated in the table. That's why I put 'Unclear staus?' with a question mark - I was unclear about his specific title(s) as leader over time.

I was similarly unsure about the Dalai Lama. He will almost certainly be in the 'Unclear status' table, but what to describe him as, and over what time period? I think what I've put in the table is simple and accurate, but it may not be. 2A02:8012:227B:0:8875:5FA5:E124:5FEB (talk) 14:12, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

José Mujica is from Uruguay, not from Paraguay Pindrice (talk) 22:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

The claim of the Palestinian Territories (the only legal entity that exists under the Oslo Accords) to legal statehood is not recognised by most of the Big Five in the UN (UK, USA, France) and observer status at the UN is not actual membership. Those factors should weigh the most when considering where Abbas should go. 180.150.38.126 (talk) 14:52, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Postponing archive Star Garnet (talk) 07:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Recovered tables from archiving bot.– Jwkozak91 (talk) 10:22, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Re-postponing archive TheCorriynial (talk) 23:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Preventing archiving. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 23:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Ahmed Osman possibly has died?

I was looking at some sources on google, and a news article came up talking about his founding party had won an election in 2021, and it says "Late Prime Minister Ahmed Osman" which may imply he's died sometime before the articles date of September 10, 2021 and after the source used in the list. Is it possible? TheCorriynial (talk) 19:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Source, by the way: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210910-why-has-moroccos-justice-and-development-party-lost-so-badly/ TheCorriynial (talk) 19:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

It seems rather unlikely that the media would have totally missed his passing, and I've seen 'late' used as a synonym/mistranslation for 'former' fairly frequently. Without another source, I wouldn't put much stock in it. Star Garnet (talk) 21:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Is it possible to hide the entry until a source is found that Ahmed Osman has died or even living. 2001:FD8:1714:F95A:17DD:6EF5:EABD:5A7D (talk) 08:06, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Désiré Rakotoarijaona

Malagasy Wikipedia says he died in 2020, with the source being this. There are also videos seemingly connected to his funeral. However, you can also find two videos uploaded only this past May featuring a person claimed to be him. TVShowFan122 (talk) 19:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Odd... feels like a Ri Kun-mo here. But, I think we would have seen something had he died in 2020. Can anyone confirm it with a Malagasy source? I also checked the deaths in 2020 (English one anyway), he wasn't listed there, and id think he would have been noted with all the leaders who died that year. TheCorriynial (talk) 20:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree with what TheCorriynial said I just checked the article deaths in Deaths in January 2020 and I couldn't find his name there, the Malagasy Wiki states that he died on the 2nd of January 2020 but when I looked up for his name there I can't find It. 2001:FD8:1723:EF70:17DA:B26A:8F7B:F6C7 (talk) 13:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I looked at the source, the issue with the death source is its listed as a site poster, so we can't confirm, unless the newer video can be proved its him. The source date in January 5th, 2020, so I went and checked that date, but he wasn't there either. TheCorriynial (talk) 14:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I have also started looking for sources (ie: news articles) but I couldn't find any that says he died on the 2nd of January 2020. 2001:FD8:2666:1E97:17DB:AF2D:195C:B4EA (talk) 21:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I looked at the two videos from later, the first one is gone, but the second one is still up, and if someone could find a photo of him from some time recently, we might be able to compare and see if they are similar face wise. I did look at the one in the source used and the video, they seem similar, but since angle of the video is on the side of the persons face, I can't be sure. And there's also the problem if the video is recent or not. TheCorriynial (talk) 23:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Can you at least give the link of the video. 2001:FD8:265A:F090:17DC:2733:8534:614A (talk) 09:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Its the second link in the "However, you can also find two videos uploaded only this past May featuring a person claimed to be him." in the word "video". TheCorriynial (talk) 17:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

How could we know if that claimant is really Mr. Rakoatorjoana 2001:FD8:651:5684:1:2:4CD8:3411 (talk) 11:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

This case is pretty simple; somebody on Malagasy WP just conflated two people. The person who died was 93 in 2020, so 7-8 years older than the PM, and doesn't look anything like him; meanwhile the recently posted videos do appear to be the PM and the poster appears to be the theologian he claims to be. I'm not sure what would compel two sets of parents to name their sons 'desire to cover up the truth' but that's beside the point. I don't believe the recent videos make any reference to when they were recorded. Star Garnet (talk) 15:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Star Garnet thanks for your insights about this topis 2001:FD8:651:5684:1:2:4CD8:3411 (talk) 00:21, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Possible reinstatement of the Article:List of longest-living state leaders

Is there a possibility that the article titled List of longest-living state leaders be recreated but this time we will look for citations or references on their desths 2001:FD8:651:5684:1:2:4CD8:3411 (talk) 00:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Cesar Yanes Urias

This is not qualified enough for a metion? --95.24.79.236 (talk) 19:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Social media posts aren't officially accepted, but we can use them to note that they are still around on that date. TheCorriynial (talk) 20:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Social media can be used as a source, and considering this post is from a Salvadoran government account, I believe it is acceptable to replace the 2018 source with it. TVShowFan122 (talk) 16:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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