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Don't many of the papers of the Republic of Ireland regularly comment on/report on news from Northern Ireland? Also, The Irish News has a dedicated 'Southern News' section. The Irish Independent and the Irish Times are both sold and read north of the border. Thus, it could be argued that these (or at least some of them) are 'All-Ireland' papers in that sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by D.de.loinsigh (talk • contribs) 04:55, July 26, 2007

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This wiki should be moved to List of newspapers in the Republic of Ireland as it is unnecessary to have 3 for 1 island. Instead all Northern Ireland newspapers are under List of newspapers in the United Kingdom. The only reason this page would be necessary is if it only included newspapers that cover all of Ireland but even then that number is only 5 and they are all political see List of newspapers in Ireland#Including Northern Ireland. No need for duplicating Northern Ireland newspapers under UK and Republic of Ireland, not only unnecessary but not the correct jurisdiction.--Googlechrome (talk) 14:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Northern Ireland

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The list has been changed to include NI newspapers, however if you look at the newspapers by country template at the bottom you will find these included, correctly, under the UK. This article was previously didnt include such and I will return it to previous version if there are no reasonable objections.Murry1975 (talk) 18:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Northern newspapers are available in many parts of the Republic, in border counties and in Dublin for example. The Irish News is also more widely available across the island. The article links to the island of Ireland. I feel that this makes sense in this case as although for the most part the editorial base for the Northern papers is Belfast, their content and their availability extend across the island, just as many Southern papers deal with and are available across the island of Ireland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.85.223.28 (talk) 13:24, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thats not the point. The point being I can buy the NY Times in many parts of Ireland yet its not included. The article by template definition is about the state not the island. NI papers are already linked through the UK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Northern_Ireland#Newspapers_in_Northern_Ireland . The article as I stated was not previously about the island someone changed this. Stating that they can be bought is not relevant to the article.Murry1975 (talk) 14:02, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, the New York Times' editorial base is New York and has absolutely nothing to do with Ireland. The Northern newspapers content stretches well beyond the border, most even have the price in euro and sterling for example, and I think it's fair to say the Southern and Northern papers together deal with an all island news agendaAcamdc88 (talk) 14:42, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
My point of bringing this to talk first was to find if there were "no reasonable objections", all that is given is that they both contain neews relevant to the island. Nothing is being mentioned of the template- NI is included in the UK as it should be and links there. Nothing is being mentioned of dual entries. My point being the template and every other newspaper list from it is state based. This list isnt. Is there a any reason why this should be an exception? The crossover of news and sport is likely to happen, and it happens in more than just newspapers from the island.
To Acamdc88, the Belfast times editoral is based in Belfast, which has nothing to do with the state- some would regard it as having something to do with it simply because it is based on the same island. Northern newspapers strectch beyond the border? Yes and beyond that, thats there purpose. The point being its not meant to be an island based article someone over time has developed that way without addressing templates or the fact of duplicating material that is in another article.Murry1975 (talk) 15:30, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_newspapers_in_Ireland&diff=next&oldid=468810414 Acamdc88's edit that changed the article. Please discuss why you changed what the article was about.Murry1975 (talk) 15:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The article is entitled, "List of newspapers in Ireland", and therefore logically should include newspapers in Northern Ireland. If it's only intended to include newspapers printed in the Republic, it really ought to be moved. I would support keeping it here and including newspapers from Northern Ireland, since Northern newspapers circulate in the Republic and I don't believe that the main titles published in the Republic consider themselves to be Republic-only newspapers at all - they are widely distributed in the North and in the case of the main broadsheet titles published in Dublin and Cork, all three are not only distributed throughout the island, but cover Northern news very thoroughly - far more so than British newspapers do - and pre-date partition.
This should be decided one way or the other, but pending any such decision, I've amended the lede per the Ireland Manual of Style ("In other places prefer use of Ireland, except where the island of Ireland or Northern Ireland is being discussed in the same context or where confusion may arise. In such circumstances use Republic of Ireland (e.g. "Strabane is at the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland" - my emphasis). - actually, realized that the lede was wrong because the article, despite previous edit summary, does include NI titles, so re-edited the lede on that basis. ComhairleContaeThirnanOg (talk) 02:03, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It should for accuracy and consistancy be about the papers published in the state. I am really not seeing any points other than some believe Ireland to solely mean the island(again). And I would like to ask how you came here CCTnO?Murry1975 (talk) 10:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody is saying that Ireland only means the island. However, in the absence of a clear reference to the state, or a context that makes it clear that we are talking about states and political entities, the obvious assumption is that it is a reference to the broad concept, not to the state. IMOS makes it clear that the pipe-linked use of "Ireland" to refer to the Republic without specifying that that is the reference should not be used where it would cause confusion. I'll quote: "In other places prefer use of Ireland, except where the island of Ireland or Northern Ireland is being discussed in the same context or where confusion may arise. In such circumstances use Republic of Ireland (e.g. "Strabane is at the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland")."
If you can't see where both I and another user pointed out above that the newspaper market is not bounded by the state, you clearly haven't been looking very hard. And you have no argument at all for accuracy supporting your position. Accuracy suggests, for example, that "newspapers in Ireland" does not exclude newpapers in Ireland, with names like "The Irish News", which has been published in Ireland since 1891. If the argument is about consistency, then the obvious approach would be to ensure that "List of Newspapers in Ireland" should be consistent with the meaning of "Ireland" adopted in the Wikipedia article on Ireland. ComhairleContaeThirnanOg (talk) 11:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Two points, first- a known SP changed the title, see above for previous discussion, it should be made clear I agree and would not object to the revert title. Secondly consistency and accuracy are based on what the other "List of newspapers in..." articles are about, that is papers published within that state, that is plain and simple. The fact that the list for the UK includes the papers from NI which is duplicated here is another issue. And I asked how you came on this article, please answer.Murry1975 (talk) 12:10, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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I am reading (online) a newspaper report of the Amateur Athletic Championships taking place at Stamford Bridge in London in July 1886, and several Irish athletes are taking part, their trip to England sponsored by the editor of a prominent Dublin newspaper, the Sport, which doesn't seem to have been covered by those Wikipedians interested in compiling lists of Irish newspapers, either current, or defunct. I have an actual report in the Dublin Sport itself, dated Saturday 21 June 1884. it is an account of an athletics meet in Birmingham the previous week and suggests that it was in business by at least that time. Cottonshirtτ 03:54, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

further to the above, isuue no1 seems to have been published on Friday 24 December 1880, price one penny. the final issue (Vol. 7 no. 33) seems to have been published on Saturday 15 August 1931, price two pence. source for these items was the British Library online newspaper archive. Cottonshirtτ 05:05, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tuairisc is a daily newspaper - Nos.ie maybe worth adding

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Tuairisc (see the article on Wikipedia) is a daily Irish-language newspaper. It's not defunct, by any means. Nós (see the article on Wikipedia) is also an active Irish-language magazine, which talks mainly about culture and lifestyle. It may be worth adding. IlmarisenVasara 16:38, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It may also be worth noting that these two are probably the most-read Irish-language newspaper currently. IlmarisenVasara 16:59, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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