Talk:List of monarchs of the Netherlands

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1815?

Sooo, the introduction mentions "since 1815" (which should be correct for the Netherlands) but the actual tables use since 179x (which would be the case if the Kingdom Holland is included too in the list). The first seems more correct to me, because otherwise you'd have to include Emperor Napoleon too, who was emperor of an area including the Netherlands for a while (with the name 'France') effeietsanders 15:02, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestral Line of Orange-Nassau

The text under the first table, "Stadtholderate under the House of Orange-Nassau", states that the "ancestral line of the House of Orange-Nassau" went extinct when William III died. However in the table, the two succeeding monarchs are listed as belonging to the same family. This requires some clarification (probably in the table as well as in the text underneath). Alfrew (talk) 22:30, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Principality of the Netherlands

I'm a little confused by the paragraph "Principality of the Netherlands" - to the best of my knowledge this is a phrase that would not be used in Dutch at least, and it is the first time I come across it. In Dutch usually the term "Soeverein Vorst van Nederland" is used to refer to William I at that point - Sovereign of the Netherlands. This leaves unclear what exactly the status is at that point (which makes sense as negotiations are ongoing). See also nl:Soeverein_Vorstendom_der_Verenigde_Nederlanden. effeietsanders 22:44, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stadtholders are no monarchs

Why does this list contain many non-monarchs. The stadtholders were no monarchs of the Nehterlands. Either they should be removed or the article should be renamed. Arnoutf (talk) 17:31, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly right. The article should be split up. Unless there is already a page on the Stadtholders. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 19:15, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why use monarch in the first place

The term monarchy describes a system that includes all kinds of rank. It is highly problematic and the Dutch king is exactly that a king, not a monarch. If you want to be precise "Het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden" is a constitutional monarchy. Monarchy is a descriptor of the system not what we call ourselves or the leading person of our Kingdom. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 17:21, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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is where a king keizer or poor rule not an empire? i am now 31 years old and i also never heared about a Roman Republic. please advice.

Republic / Empire 2A02:A454:E457:1:9153:CED6:8B77:AAF1 (talk) 20:27, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@2A02:A454:E457:1:9153:CED6:8B77:AAF1 i meen offcourse Pope. 2A02:A454:E457:1:9153:CED6:8B77:AAF1 (talk) 20:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why two lists of stadtholders with overlapping time ranges?

As I understand, originally each province had their own stadtholder, but starting in 1678 often these offices were unified across the provinces, and these people are listed here. But why have two lists (one for each family) instead of listing them in chronological order? The "family" column should be enough to distinguish them. Paul Ebermann (talk) 19:14, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here is how such a merged table could look like:

Name	Lifespan	Reign start	Reign end	Notes	Family
John VI the Elder Jan VI	(1536-11-22)22 November 1536 – 8 October 1606(1606-10-08) (aged 69)	1578	1581	Stadtholder,^[1] son of William I, Count of Nassau-Siegen and Juliana of Stolberg, brother of William I	Nassau
William I the Silent Willem I	(1533-04-24)24 April 1533 – 10 July 1584(1584-07-10) (aged 51)	26 July 1581	10 July 1584	Stadtholder,^[2] son of William I, Count of Nassau-Siegen and Juliana of Stolberg	Orange-Nassau
William Louis Our Father Willem Lodewijk	(1560-03-13)13 March 1560 – 31 May 1620(1620-05-31) (aged 60)	1584	1620	Stadtholder,^[3] son of John VI and Countess Elisabeth of Leuchtenberg	Nassau
Maurice Maurits	(1567-11-14)14 November 1567 – 23 April 1625(1625-04-23) (aged 57)	14 November 1585^[4]	23 April 1625	Stadtholder,^[5] son of William I and Anna of Saxony	Orange-Nassau
Ernest Casimir I Ernst Casimir I	(1573-12-22)22 December 1573 – 2 June 1632(1632-06-02) (aged 58)	1620	1632	Stadtholder,^[6] son of John VI and Countess Elisabeth of Leuchtenberg	Nassau
Frederick Henry Frederik Hendrik	(1584-01-29)29 January 1584 – 14 March 1647(1647-03-14) (aged 63)	23 April 1625	14 March 1647	Stadtholder,^[7] son of William I and Louise de Coligny	Orange-Nassau
Henry Casimir I Hendrik Casimir I	(1612-01-21)21 January 1612 – 13 July 1640(1640-07-13) (aged 28)	1632	1640	Stadtholder,^[8] son of Ernest Casimir I and Sophia Hedwig of Brunswick-Lüneburg	Nassau
William Frederick Willem Frederik	(1613-08-07)7 August 1613 – 31 October 1664(1664-10-31) (aged 51)	1640	1664	Stadtholder,^[9] son of Ernest Casimir I and Sophia Hedwig of Brunswick-Lüneburg	Nassau
William II Willem II	(1626-05-27)27 May 1626 – 6 November 1650(1650-11-06) (aged 24)	14 March 1647	6 November 1650	Stadtholder,^[10] son of Frederick Henry and Amalia of Solms-Braunfels	Orange-Nassau
Henry Casimir II Hendrik Casimir II	(1657-01-18)18 January 1657 – 25 March 1696(1696-03-25) (aged 39)	18 January 1664	25 March 1696	Hereditary Stadtholder,^[11] son of William Frederick and Albertine Agnes of Nassau, maternal grandson of Frederick Henry	Nassau
William III Willem III	(1650-11-04)4 November 1650 – 8 March 1702(1702-03-08) (aged 51)	4 July 1672	8 March 1702	Stadtholder,^[12] son of William II and Mary, Princess Royal and Princess of Orange also King of England, Scotland and Ireland	Orange-Nassau
John William Friso Johan Willem Friso	(1687-08-04)4 August 1687 – 14 July 1711(1711-07-14) (aged 23)	25 March 1696	14 July 1711	Hereditary Stadtholder,^[13] son of Henry Casimir II and Princess Henriëtte Amalia of Anhalt-Dessau, succeeded by his son William IV of Orange-Nassau, Hereditary Stadtholder of the United Netherlands	Nassau
William IV Willem IV	(1711-09-01)1 September 1711 – 22 October 1751(1751-10-22) (aged 40)	4 May 1747	22 October 1751	First formally hereditary Stadtholder of the United Netherlands,^[14] son of John William Friso and Marie Louise of Hesse-Kassel	Orange-Nassau
William V Willem V	(1748-03-08)8 March 1748 – 9 April 1806(1806-04-09) (aged 58)	22 October 1751	19 January 1795	Hereditary Stadtholder of the United Netherlands, son of William IV and Anne, Princess Royal and Princess of Orange, deposed by the Batavian Revolution	Orange-Nassau

Paul Ebermann (talk) 20:01, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Stadtholder of Guelders (under Philip II), architect of the Union of Utrecht
^ Stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland and Utrecht (1559–1584), Stadtholder of Friesland and Overijssel (1580–1584)
^ Stadtholder of Friesland (1584–1620), Groningen (1594–1620) and Drenthe (1596–1620)
^ Maurits benoemd als stadhouder, 1585, Europeana
^ Stadtholder of Holland and Zeeland (1585–1625), Utrecht, Guelders and Overijssel (1590–1625), Groningen (1620–1625)
^ Stadtholder of Friesland (1620–1632), Groningen and Drenthe (1625–1632)
^ Stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Guelders, and Overijssel (1620–1625), Groningen and Drenthe (1640–1647)
^ Stadtholder of Friesland (1632–1640), Groningen and Drenthe (1632–1640)
^ Stadtholder of Friesland (1640–1664), Groningen and Drenthe (1650–1664)
^ Stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Guelders, Groningen, Drenthe and Overijssel
^ In 1675 the State of Friesland voted to make the Stadtholdership hereditary in the house of Nassau-Dietz
^ Stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht and Overijssel (1672–1702), Guelders (1675–1702), Drenthe (1696–1702)
^ Hereditary Stadtholder of Friesland (1707–1711) and Groningen (1708–1711)
^ Hereditary Stadtholder of Friesland (1711–1747), Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht and Overijssel (April/May 1747 – November 1747), Stadtholder of Groningen (1718–1747), Guelders and Drenthe (1722–1747), was formally voted the first Hereditary Stadtholder of the United Provinces (1747–1751)

[1] Stadtholder of Guelders (under Philip II), architect of the Union of Utrecht

[2] Stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland and Utrecht (1559–1584), Stadtholder of Friesland and Overijssel (1580–1584)

[3] Stadtholder of Friesland (1584–1620), Groningen (1594–1620) and Drenthe (1596–1620)

[4] Maurits benoemd als stadhouder, 1585, Europeana

[5] Stadtholder of Holland and Zeeland (1585–1625), Utrecht, Guelders and Overijssel (1590–1625), Groningen (1620–1625)

[6] Stadtholder of Friesland (1620–1632), Groningen and Drenthe (1625–1632)

[7] Stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Guelders, and Overijssel (1620–1625), Groningen and Drenthe (1640–1647)

[8] Stadtholder of Friesland (1632–1640), Groningen and Drenthe (1632–1640)

[9] Stadtholder of Friesland (1640–1664), Groningen and Drenthe (1650–1664)

[10] Stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Guelders, Groningen, Drenthe and Overijssel

[11] In 1675 the State of Friesland voted to make the Stadtholdership hereditary in the house of Nassau-Dietz

[12] Stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht and Overijssel (1672–1702), Guelders (1675–1702), Drenthe (1696–1702)

[13] Hereditary Stadtholder of Friesland (1707–1711) and Groningen (1708–1711)

[14] Hereditary Stadtholder of Friesland (1711–1747), Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht and Overijssel (April/May 1747 – November 1747), Stadtholder of Groningen (1718–1747), Guelders and Drenthe (1722–1747), was formally voted the first Hereditary Stadtholder of the United Provinces (1747–1751)

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